hmmm, I didn't get the original of this email (posted to the list) - why
would that be? hope I'm not missing some vital info
Alistair
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> Al,
> I'll try and answer but coming from inside one of the two organisations
> concerned I'll concede that you may feel like I haven't 'clarified'
> anything! :-)
>
> Clearly, you are witnessing a disagreement. Whether it is of the school
> playground variety is a different matter. I tend to disagree at this
> stage, though I'm sure something can be arranged if necessary.
>
> Also clearly, the disagreement has to do with cost vs. value - the cost
> at which we felt it was viable to offer the gateways was in excess of
> the value the JISC chose to put on them - there was a disagreement about
> price, pure and simple. Who was right and who was wrong in that
> disagreement is another matter of course, as is the issue of whether
> some middle ground could have been reached. I'm not aware that we
> refused to negotiate (I could be wrong) but in any case, from what I've
> seen, the gap between the two sides was such that I doubt any negotiated
> agreement could have been reached even if a longer period of negotiation
> had been allowed.
>
> Clearly, this is unfortunate for the community. We did not take our
> side of the decision making lightly, at least as far as I understand it.
> I'm sure the JISC would say the same. I'm equally sure that both sides
> of the argument feel like they are taking the 'best' decision in the
> circumstances. Sometimes things just don't work out.
>
> The bottom line, from our perspective as an educational charity, is that
> we have to take not-for-profit business decisions around those services
> that we believe to be of value to the community in order to ensure the
> onging viability of the charity overall - we can't simply provide
> services at well below our own costs.
>
> Andy
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roberts A.L.
>> Sent: 22 January 2008 13:18
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: LA (mixed messages)
>>
>> Dear list,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone clarify who is actually not willing to
>> negotiate...? The press releases from both sides say that the
>> other is to blame - see below.
>>
>>
>>
>> The JISC statement says:
>>
>> Eduserv had asked JISC for a non-negotiable price for the
>> provision of the Gateway Services significantly above what
>> the JISC Board believed could be justified as a balanced or
>> fair expenditure within the JISC services budget and as a
>> value for money option for the education community as a whole.
>>
>> The Eduserv statement says:
>>
>>
>>
>> "The non-negotiable offer we received from the JISC did not
>> approach the projected full economic cost of the service in
>> 2008/2009 or provide a sustainable basis for the future. "
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one that feels like they are witnessing a
>> school playground argument?
>>
>>
>>
>> AL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Alexander Roberts
>>
>> Web Development Officer
>>
>> Library and Information Services
>>
>> Swansea University/Prifysgol Abertawe
>>
>> +44 (0)1792 513239
>>
>>
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>>
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