Glad you're not into 'Diry Washing'
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From: "Stephen Vincent" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Joe Green


>I go with Mark here. No offense to folks who found/find Joe Green 
>interesting for whatever reasons, I found my intial responses from him to 
>be offensive. I saw no need to make an issue, and just went with the delete 
>button. I am disappointed to have to have done that. It took something away 
>from the experience here which had begun to look more like 'Greenland.' 
>Clearly something serious b/c must have happened and parties were  unable 
>to reconcile. I am not at all interested in the diry wash. The list has 
>given Anny the power to exercise removals, and I am not going to argue. If 
>some folks want to leave, there are many other places to go.
>
> I know lists go in whorls - from one kind of poverty to another, and then 
> 'whoosh' good stuff comes down the pipe and gets everyone into a good 
> churn. And we have definitely had those here, many times,over the years 
> that I have been a member and frequent participant.
>
> With a few exceptions it's been awhile since I felt any 'churn'  here.  I 
> look forward to the change.
>
> Stephen Vincent
> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>
> Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I have no idea what's going on, 
> though I tend to trust Anny.
>
> As a point of information, Kasper, you have no more idea than I do
> what the majority feel about this or anything else, as maybe a dozen
> folks actually say anything on the list. I've personally found Joe's
> work so boring that I've taken to deleting it unread, which is
> neither support for his dismissal nor retention.
>
> As to what happens b/c, there's a history on this list of really
> nasty stuff, far nastier than the material that surfaced on the list.
> Harassment of members or listowners backchannel has been grounds for
> removal for a long time.
>
> But I don't know the specifics here.
>
> Mark
>
> At 05:28 PM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
>>whatsmore, I thought this was all done with the last time some
>>malcontents lambasted JG and were put in their place. jesus! do people
>>WANT this list to be insular & homogenic?
>>
>>KS
>>
>>On 19/12/2007, kasper salonen  wrote:
>> > if Joe Green isn't reinstated into PoetryEtc, I'm considering leaving
>> > the list. not intended as dramatic, just a decision of principle.
>> >
>> > in addition to the 'b/c - List' breach that Rupert brings up, I
>> > consider it a shame bordering on idiocy to remove as unique &
>> > productive a member as JG from a list gasping, in my opinion, for some
>> > texture & moisture just because his texture was too rough for SOME,
>> > not ALL or even a majority, list members' tastes and just because his
>> > moisture was too moist for the underarms & foreheads of same SOME, not
>> > ALL or even a majority of, list members.
>> >
>> > in my opinion PoetryEtc would better be served by adapting to
>> > unpredictable, diverse & extremely creative behaviour like Joe Green's
>> > -- rather than suppressing it in favour of academic discourse. you
>> > asked, "Why don't members read and share what is interesting and
>> > published online, for example?" well, Joe rather wrote his own. on my
>> > own behalf I can say that Joe Green has made me more open and aware of
>> > narration & rhythm & (sure, sometimes pompous but mostly impeccable)
>> > comedy in poetry. I would consider it an honour to be 'ATTACKED' by
>> > him.
>> >
>> > this needs to be rethought very carefully, mgrs.
>> >
>> > KS
>> >
>> > On 18/12/2007, Anny Ballardini  wrote:
>> > > Joe Green has been removed from the POETRYETC list. Notification has 
>> > > been
>> > > sent.
>> > >
>> > > I do not think I have to justify the present decision. As I said in 
>> > > my
>> > > previous mail, several members b/c-ed asking for the removal of
>> Joe Green.
>> > > Since the question was held b/c I will not mention the names of the 
>> > > said
>> > > contributors.
>> > >
>> > > As I also said, the decision is not mine because I do not like
>> to have the
>> > > power of death or of life on people, especially if they are adults.
>> > >
>> > > As the co-manager of this list, I highly praise contributions based 
>> > > on
>> > > poetry, reviews, links related to poetry and discussions on poetry. 
>> > > It is
>> > > true that this is Poetryetc which means there is an ETC, but it
>> is also true
>> > > that the root, the leading word is POETRY.
>> > >
>> > > On the other hand, and I am suggesting, could not this ETC be
>> arts, Arts in
>> > > general, movies, videos, music, visual art, digital art, any kind of 
>> > > Art.
>> > > Are there any other topics the members would like to discuss in a
>> > > constructive way? As poets I think that we want to improve, why
>> not make of
>> > > this space an important reference for all?
>> > >
>> > > I had to update my resume this morning and realized _once again_ the
>> > > enormous amount of poetry published out there. Why don't members read 
>> > > and
>> > > share what is interesting and published online, for example? I
>> bumped into
>> > > Jacket, Black Box, The Argotist Online, Big Bridge, University sites,
>> > > Publications, there is so much that I feel dizzy.
>> > >
>> > > I hope I will have an interesting feedback and I also remind
>> everyone that
>> > > as a rule once a member is not on the list please avoid any comments.
>> > >
>> > > With my best wishes, serving Poetryetc,
>> > >
>> > > Anny Ballardini
>> > > co-manager
>> > >
>> >