Far from being 'meek & mild', librarians are some of the coolest (and
possibly sexiest) people around. Some years ago, a friend who ran a PR &
events company told me how she'd organised a weekend conference for
librarians.  Far from tucking themselves up early, they were one of the
noisiest, most abandoned, and 'relaxed' groups she'd ever encountered! I
believe it permanently changed her opinion of the profession....
Cheers - Zena
Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP - Library Resources Manager
The Warner Library Broomfield Hospital Chelmsford CM1 7ET
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-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 12 December 2007 10:04
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees


Wasn't Cassanova a librarian? (possibly not professionally qualified, &
certainly not a member of CILIP, so ineligible for election as a
Trustee). I'm not sure if he would count as famous or infamous, but
could justifiably claim to be a sex psychologist as well a librarian!

Malcolm

-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 10 December 2007 11:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees


I can think of a few infamous ones!

Must admit the best parties I ever went to were where I pretened to be a
sex psychologist (wonderful way of meeting people), and best train
journey was when I met a gynaecologists! f 

-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tony McSean
Sent: 10 December 2007 11:15
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

All weekend I've been quietly enjoying the idea of the "famous
librarian" and wonder what it involves.  I once had a nicely surreal
conversation at a party about this very thing with a lawyer who dealt
with risk management in shipping insurance (if they find out you're a
librarian you do usually get sent to the shadowy corner with the
reinsurance specialists, actuaries and network troubleshooters, innit?).
There are also, apparently, famous risk management lawyers.

How do famous librarians know they are famous?  Papparazzi?  Endorsement
deals?  Limos? Groupies?  No, I'm just getting silly.

Tony

Tony McSean
+44  7946 291780


-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Quick, Amanda
Sent: 07 December 2007 16:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

Fame and celebrity aren't everything! I don't see why having heard of
somebody should be the determining factor? Who were you expecting to see
on the list - maybe they hadn't thought of standing? There will be
opportuntiies in future for further candidates. I had either first hand
knowledge or had heard of about half the candidates, so they're not that
obscure, they just move in different sectors and circles.

Amanda

Amanda Quick
Information Specialist (Academic Librarian) Information Services
University of Abertay Dundee

-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Miranda O'Brien
Sent: 07, December, 2007 15:54
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

I think that Zena makes a very good point as the majority of us Cilip
members don't have the time to use the Cilip Communities method of
communicating as it takes time to access. I personally much prefer to
receive an email that I can instantly reply to if I so wish.

Yes I did vote in the Trustees election and I agree that there were
several candidates that I had never heard of and found it difficult to
actually find 12 to vote for.

Regards
Miranda

Miranda O'Brien
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-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Woodley Zena (RQ8)
Mid Essex Hospital
Sent: 07 December 2007 15:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LIS-PROFESSION] CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

Bruce -
This is really part of the problem.  The 'Communities' are <Cilip's>
preferred method.  The members - and many ex-members - don't necessarily
agree with this; and don't find 'communities' the easiest, simplest, or
quickest way of communicating. Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP
Library Resources Manager The Warner Library Broomfield Hospital
Chelmsford CM1 7ET
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-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bruce Royan
Sent: 07 December 2007 15:25
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees


Hi Frances

I think a lot of the "eerie silence" from the new Trustees is that many
of them will not be members of lis-profession, and will still expect
comments on the CILIP election (and indeed on CILIP issues more
generally) to be posted on the CILIP Communities.

I have already asked to raise the issue of the poor election out-turn
and the non-receipt of ballot papers to be discussed at the December
Council Meeting. But if anyone wants to raise anything else, either with
the new or old Council, could they please do us the courtesy of raising
it in the forum
that was set up for these issues?   

As the List-Owner of LIS-PROFESSION has recently pointed out:

"This list is no longer a CILIP list and has not been for over a year.
There's little point in advising CILIP about what you think they need to
do if you aren't prepared to use their preferred communication outlets."

Best

Bruce
  

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-----Original Message-----
From: Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 07 December 2007 13:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

 Here we go again, more infor from the members and maybe some lapsed
members

BUT eerily silent from the new trustees apart from one or 2 postings on
Cilip Communities (such an inhospitably thing to use., but our stuff, or
rather most of it has got there. But one new trustee who doesn't get it
yet. Thinks we haven't made suggestions!) 

1.I've been following this with some interest.  I did vote: I also think
12 too unwieldy a number. About 8 of the names were familiar - but
that's only because I've moved in different sectors. 
I favour 'benevolent dictatorship', in that I have found smaller groups
tend to produce results, while large groups are merely talking shops. I
heartily agree with the comment on 'missing skills': I have been saying
this for at least 5 years; but I am not in any position of authority or
influence upon curricula. I don't log on to 'communities' - I find email
an easier option. 
The piece in the Independent should be a start; and I will watch the
Trustees with respect. Trying to turn around an ailing body, while the
economy quietly goes into instability (where one of the first casualties
in any recession is information management; remember the 90s?), will be
interesting.

2.I have been most interested to see the recent correspondence. Although
professional qualifications are still recognised and valued in my
authority, I am aware that they are not elsewhere. A recent piece in the
Gazette recently summed up the current views -  so when a respected
person is questioning professional status it does make you wonder why we
bother.

Society at large does not know the difference between a librarian, a
library assistant or a library attendant. We recently advertised for a
professionally qualified librarian and of 10 applicants, only one was
qualified. It does not occur to people that there is such a thing - they
would not apply for a job as a surveyor or town planner without the
appropriate qualifications. 

On one hand CILIP has failed to assert the professional status of
librarians (though to be honest I think it is a battle they are never
going to win, given the image of librarians and the prevailing ignorance
of the fact that there are such things as qualifications and charter
ship) and on the other hand they are making entrants to the professional
go through a prolonged and off-putting process in order to charter. It's
hard to motivate people to go through all this in order to gain a status
no-one values - the only point is the pay rise to the next salary scale.

CILIP would say that the point of all the chartership training is to
enable us to tell the world we are professionals, but as no-one is
listening, are we just kidding ourselves

3.Many thanks for raising the issue of lack of votes, and for passing on
some of the comments you have received. 

I would like to add my frustrations to the list! I moved house last
December and despite phone calls to Cilip and changing my address on my
profile on their website, it was May before my Update and Gazette
started arriving at my new address. And, you guessed it, my voting
papers were also sent to my old address, and it was too late to vote by
the time I received them. I feel that this kind of admin error, from a
professional organisation that many of us pay lots of money to every
year, is unacceptable. I feel that Cilip has very little regard for the
individual member and this may go some way to explain the lacklustre
attitude at the moment. I am however, proud to be a librarian, and have
recently started to attend meetings of my local UC&R group to become
actively involved in promoting networking amongst the profession.

And yes, I did vote for the councillors - I voted for anyone who had
been involved with public libraries, and anyone who shared my concerns
about the changing status of librarians -though there weren't very many
of them

4.
Sounds as if you have hit a nerve given the amount of replies you are
getting. I think it is definitely worthwhile publishing comments
anonymously. I would not have replied if I thought I could be
identified.

f
-----Original Message-----
From: CILIP's University, College & Research Special Interest Group
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Johnson Gareth
Sent: 06 December 2007 10:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: FW: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees

For information

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 CILIP : the Chartered Institute of Library and Information
Professionals
> 7 Ridgmount St, London WC1E 7AE.
> 
> Tel: 020 7255 0500
> Textphone: 020 7255 0505
> Fax: 020 7255 0501
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> News from CILIP
> 6 December 2007
> 
> CILIP announces new Board of Trustees
> 
> CILIP Members have elected the twelve Trustees to serve on its
reformed Council, which takes effect from 1 January 2008.
> 
> They are: Chris Armstrong, Judy Broady-Preston, Paul Clarke, Veronica
Fraser, Isabel Hood, Ayub Khan, Dion Lindsay, Nigel Macartney, Liz
Maclachlan, Caroline Moss-Gibbons, Diana Nutting, and Bruce Royan.
> 
> Bob McKee, Chief Executive of CILIP, said "CIILP has been working hard
on Governance issues over the last two years. The twelve Trustees were
elected from a strong list of candidates. They will drive CILIP forward
over the coming years".
> 
> 
> Contact: Daniel Sabel, Governance Manager Tel:020 7255 0656
> 
> 
> Notes for Editors
> 
> CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information
Professionals is the leading professional body for librarians,
information specialists and knowledge managers.  It forms a community of
around 36,000 people engaged in library and information work, of whom
around 21,000 are CILIP members and around 15,000 are regular customers
of CILIP Enterprises.
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