This very specific point doesn't seem to have been picked up (though
there are other related points in the thread on prescribing).
I'm really curious, genuinely curious about why taking an RMO type role
is necessarily bad. I don't mean that it might not work out to well in
specific cases but why is it disturbing? Is defention against people's
will actually something that (in princpal) is necessary or not.
Just to say something about my own setting. I amd a clinical
psychologist working on three acute psychiatric wards in Sussex. I
frequently get involved in discussions on sectioning and, while I think
I am squarely on the side of peoples rights rather than social control
and usually argue as such, there are other occasions where I have been
complicit in people being detained. To put is extremely crudely because
I don't always see what people's own wishes at the time are as being the
decisive factor in what we offer.
I can't see any difference between that and me taking up an "approved"
role. It's a bit like Hugh Fearnly-Whitingstall views on eating meat. If
you eat the steak be prepared to look at where if came from and how it
got there. See you down the abbatoir.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diamond Bob
Sent: 04 December 2007 17:25
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: Mental Health and Employment
And if that's not sufficiently disturbing. The current leaders of the
Division of clinical psychology are busy negotiating how clinical
psychologists can become approved clinicians under the new amended
mental health act. The AC role replaces the existing responsible medical
officer, of which one key function is to detain people against their
will.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Newnes
Sent: 04 December 2007 10:16
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Mental Health and Employment
As a long term insider (I was an observer on the DCP national executive
for
over 20 years) I would add that some on the list don't seem aware how
embedded the BPS is in these power structures. Two examples; the DCP has
pursued statutory regtistration of psychological therapies since at
least
1990 despite arguments about closed shops and the much more critical
position that you can't legislate for conversations between consenting
adults. On the CBT front Peter Kinderman, when chair, was wetting
himself
with pleasure when invited to the DoH planning committees on the future
of
CBT. He was following close in the footsteps of Glenys Parry, Malcolm
Adams
and Anne Richardson, all of whom had gone from chairing the DCP to
senior
positions in the DoH as expert advisors. The BPS have been embroiled in
the
planning game at govt level since at least 1987 tho curiously many of
the
individuals doing this seem to have the envy driven "psychology good"
"psychiatry bad" rubric.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Smail" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Mental Health and Employment
> Annie - in response to your last two postings.
>
> I think you do an excellent job of listing the difficulties, and I
also
> see
> little chance of things changing in the short or medium term. I think
> perhaps that one of our problems is that we (insofar as one can talk
of
> 'we'
> on this list!) are both apathetic and scornful in the face of the
> institutions of power (though not at all in other ways), whereas those
> 'we'
> often see as 'them' (e.g. Layard et al.) are patient, persistent,
> industrious - sometimes, indeed, obsessive in the lengths they will go
to
> to
> find their way around the structures that shape and support our
society.
> As
> an example, I think a perusal of the 'CORE' website (start at
>
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-health-psychology/CORE/CBT_Framework.htm)
is
> instructive. Until I read it,I for one had no idea how thoroughly
> embedded
> the CBT lobby had become in the DoH,etc., and one can see some of that
> influence reflected in the dismaying document you attached.
>
> I don't of course know what the answers are - if there are any - but I
> doubt
> if press releases will achieve much, even if they get taken up.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell
> Sent: 04 December 2007 07:59
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Mental Health and Employment
>
> Dear all,
>
> Lots to critically comment on re the attached latest government
> initative..
> For example note the business language in this. People are called
> customers.
>
> Annie
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Social Inclusion Discussion Group
> [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 03 December 2007 13:28
> To: Annie Mitchell
> Cc: Ana Padilla; Graham Turpin
> Subject: [social-inclusion] Mental Health and Employment
>
> Dear Colleagues
>
> Please find attached a statement from Peter Hain Secretary of State
for
> Work
> and Pensions.
>
> with all good wishes
>
> Nigel
> P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail, or its
> attachments
>
>
>
> Can we send this out asap,
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Fabian
>
> Dr. Fabian Davis
>
> Consultant Psychologist (Community & Social Inclusion) Lead for Social
> Inclusion Bromley Mental Health Services Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust
Ist
> Floor Keswick House 207A Anerley Road Penge London SE20 8ER
>
> Tel: 020 8778 9548
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carol Chads [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 30 November 2007 17:25
> To: Carol Chads
> Subject:
>
>
> Dear All
>
> Please see the attached for your information.
>
> Best regards
>
> Brendan
>
> Brendan McLoughlin,
> Programme Director for Wellbeing, Inclusion and Psychological
Therapies,
> London Development Centre, part of the Care Services Improvement
> Partnership, 11-13, Cavendish Square, London W1G 0AN Phone; 020 7307
2431
> Mobile: 07721 670863
> e-mail:
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> --------
>
> The British Psychological Society
>
> This email is intended for the addressee only. It may contain
confidential
> information: disclosure of or action in reliance upon this information
by
> anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not
the
> intended recipient, please notify us by return email and delete the
> message.
>
> Any views are those of the author and do not necessarily represent
those
> of
> the Society, which accepts no liability for the consequences of any
> actions
> taken on the basis of this information unless confirmed in writing by
a
> Society Manager.
>
> We accept no liability for any loss or damage caused by viruses: you
are
> advised to conduct your own checks on any attachments. When emailing
us,
> be
> aware that email is not a 100 percent secure medium
>
> The British Psychological Society is a registered English charity -
> Charity
> Registration Number : 229642 - VAT Registration Number : 240 3937 76
>
> www.bps.org.uk
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> --------
>
>
> * --You are currently subscribed to
>
> social-inclusion as:
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> .
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:%%email.unsub%%>
>
> -----------
> Change Your Account Settings<http://lists.bps.org.uk/read/my_account>
|
> View
> Previous messages<http://lists.bps.org.uk/read/my_forums> | Forgotten
> Password? <http://lists.bps.org.uk/emailpassword.tml>
>
> -----------
> The British Psychological Society is a registered English charity
Charity
> Registration Number : 229642 - VAT Registration Number : 240 3937 76
>
>
> ___________________________________
> COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the
UK.
> To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website:
> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML
> For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator Rebekah Pratt
on
> [log in to unmask] or Grant Jeffrey on [log in to unmask]
>
> ___________________________________
> COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the
UK.
> To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website:
> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML
> For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator Rebekah Pratt
on
> [log in to unmask] or Grant Jeffrey on [log in to unmask]
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date:
> 29/11/2007 11:10
>
>
___________________________________
COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the
UK.
To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML
For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator Rebekah Pratt on
[log in to unmask] or Grant Jeffrey on [log in to unmask]
**********************************************************************
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
the system security manager ([log in to unmask]).Any views or
opinions presented are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily
represent those of Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust, unless
otherwise specifically stated.
**********************************************************************
___________________________________
COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the
UK.
To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML
For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator Rebekah Pratt on
[log in to unmask] or Grant Jeffrey on [log in to unmask]
Help us to be the best we can be ...
Become a member of Sussex Partnership and help us to fight stigma and raise the profile of mental wellbeing.
Visit our Foundation Trust membership web page for more information and a membership application form.
*************************************************************************
This message and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies and delete the email after advising the sender of the error. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
The information contained within it may be subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act (2000), unless it is legally exempt from disclosure.
___________________________________
COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK.
To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML
For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator Rebekah Pratt on [log in to unmask] or Grant Jeffrey on [log in to unmask]
|
