My guess?
Perhaps someone still in school.
Maybe, with an MFA, sorting thru the litany of a PhD program who needs a year to finish a dissertation.
Or, someone who is independently wealthy or who has a major grant.
Even at the state university or community college level 12 units is a bear--if the classes are 3 units, that's four courses.
Which is a lot to teach while writing a thesis or dissertation.
Does anyone on the list think the Pueblo job offer is a good deal?
-----Original Message-----
From: joe green <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: insanity
Yeah, I agree that there's no way. Again, the mystery is -- who will take
t?
On 11/1/07, M. Borges Accardi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
OK, I'll bite.
A place in Pueblo for $555 a month. Sounds fine.
Except for, well,that still doesnot leave all much income to live on!
Even if the cost of living in Pueblo is a lot less than in SoCal, I am not
sure I could manage on $600 a month for everything else--
I have a used economy car andmy car payment, gas and insurance are close
to that.
-----Original Message-----
From: joe green <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: insanity
Well, you could rent a place in Pueblo for $555 a month.
Doesn't look that bad except for the large panty.
"This apartment has the feel of your own home with its own private back
yard
nd patio to enjoy all of Colorados gorgeous seasons. It has an open and
odern floor plan with a large kitchen opening to the living room. There
are
number of upgrades to include a ceiling fan in the kitchen, updated light
ixtures with NEW faux sandstone tile in the bathroom. This home includes a
onvenient utility room off of the kitchen w/washer and dryer hook ups.
here is generous storage to include a large panty in kitchen, coat closet,
inen closet, large BR closets + shelving in utility rm. This home is in a
uiet and secure residential neighborhood and is across from a great
ike/walking path. It is in an excellent location, nearby University,
irport, and shopping/businesses/Pueblo Mall. This apartment home is a very
nique finda great layout, well maintained, with the most responsive
anagement in town!..."
n 11/1/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
but you're innocent when you dream,
when you dream,
you're innocent when you dream
$1,300+ rent is steep. pyramid-steep. that's almost 900€, I've seldom
even seen rents that high in downtown Helsinki, which is an expensive
area. when I start renting my own place it can't be above 450€/month
or I'd have to eat ladybugs for my sustenance. or ladybirds as I
prefer to call them british style.
KS
On 01/11/2007, M. Borges Accardi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'd posted the job announcement originally because I felt for 12 units
per semester $25,000 was an inadequate salary for university
teaching--especially for a full time, tenure track position where office
hours and committee work were expected.? That salary would work out to a
take-home of about $1,300 a month (which would be a poverty salary in most
areas). I know where I live, rent alone is more than that.
>
> For an entry-level (non-adjunct university teaching job), I would expect
the salary to be at least in the $50-65,000.00 range.? An interesting
thread has ensued though.
>
> Imagine $360,000 a year for teaching!? One can only dream.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joe green <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 2:44 pm
> Subject: Re: insanity
>
>
>
> Oh, if you are teaching English Literature I think (as I said above) a
> salary $360,000 a year should be adequate compensation. I know that
even in
> our finest universities this is not offered. Above are my reflections
when
> trying to choose a period in which to specialize. In 93 or so. I felt
that
> the mental anguish of simply choosing and then having to actually teach
> would mean I would require a salary of $90,000 a year. It's terrible,
of
> course, that teachers of English Literature are so underpaid. So here
were
> my thoughts when trying to choose! I was working at Cray Supercomputer
then
> and spent hours worrying about what period to specialize in. I then
> considered my hourly rate and added dollars for mental anguish (I had
some
> acquaintance with English departments) and came up with this base rate.
>
> On 11/1/07, Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Who told you that I do not teach literature. What are you talking
about.
> > What is your job?
> >
> > On 11/1/07, joe green <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, but you are not teaching English Literature. Perhaps the above
is
> > > enough for teaching Creative Writing but it doesn't even begin to
cover
> > > the
> > > mental anguish of teaching English Liteature -- which begins with
> > deciding
> > > what period in which to specialize. Here's a glimpse into my
thoughts
> > > years
> > > agone when I had to choose.
> > >
> > > English Literature:
> > >
> > > 1. Have the lesser poems of Anglo-Saxon bards been appreciated
enough?
> > > Do enough young people know the word "kenning?" Would it be
> > > nice to curl up by the fire in the long winter evenings we have
> > > here and study Old Icelandic? Should I choose Anglo-Saxon?
> > > Perhaps with enough work I could write a pleasant little
> > > fairy story as I clench my pipe between tobacco-stained
> > > teeth and chafe in my tweeds. Choice 1: Anglo-Saxon Literature
> > >
> > > 2. Ok. So I stare at Durer prints long and long and ever since
> > > graduating high school have been prepared for life in the
> > > 12th (the greatest of all) centuries. I know it was really
> > > St. Don Bosco who invented basketball and can timor mortis
> > > conturbat me with the best of them. Choice 2: Medieval
Literature
> > >
> > > 3. The Renais... Hard to spell but good sex at last. (Medieval sex
> > > is too much like what happened in the cloakroom of St. Cecilia's
> > > in 1962). Marlowe's mighty line (What's your sign?), probably
> > > worlds of sonnet sequences not yet completely explained. The
> > > chance to entertain students with "jug, jug, jug, tereau tereau"
> > > or a birthday bash for Thomas Nashe. Shakespeare and the chance
> > > to know where all those book titles came from. I also suspect
that
> > > Shakepeare specialists are deferred to in courts of law and
> > > gatherings of high school teachers taking a class for the summer.
> > > A chance for a dotage a bit more dashing than that expected of
> > > medievalists. Expansive explanations of bawdy and the
significance
> > > of nothing in Hamlet. "The wild dog shall flesh his tooth in
every
> > > innocent" and a glance at a widow now and then. Choice
3: Renais...
> > > Literature.
> > >
> > > 4. The (as they say) 17th century. Donne undone with Mary. The
> > necessity
> > > of Eliot. The laying on of sensibility. Wit. Perhaps I could
> > > specialize in Herrick and dream of cream and strawberries and
> > > niplets and Old Ben and a parsonage among the daffodils. Or --
> > > the great tone poems of Sir Thomas Browne.
> > >
> > > 5. The 18th century -- Age of Pope or Age of Johnson. A chance of
an
> > > invite to the White House or of, at least, entertaining Canadian
> > > ladies on trains. Belindas &c. If Pope, a chance to dress
> > > in a periwig and spit vituperation in heroic couplets with the
> > > other fellows in the room hilariously dubbed "Gin Alley" at
> > > the 18th century scholars conference. Automatic justification
> > > for plotting against the radical dismals in the MLA. I am not
> > > stout enough to carry off a Johnson speciality but are we
> > > really satisfied that we know how many times Boswell had the
> > > clap and don't we need yet another fellow recounting the story
> > > of Johnson and the ghostly bishop by kicking the rock? Also
> > > I am very good on Tom Jones and at sipping coffee and chatting
> > > about the great bubble and have a quite new exegesis of Robinson
> > > Crusoe ready. Might have to read Clarissa. Ah, my dear God.
> > >
> > > 6. The Romantics (we'll include Blake as is customary) What was the
> > > sheath to which Byron refers? Expertise on Thomas Lovell Beddoes
> > > already quite remarkable. But... suicide a possibility, of
> > > course after mooning about the Protestant Cemetery in Rome
> > > after being betrayed by my mistress. Also, am disturbed that
> > > Keats apparently wanted to eat everything. Byron's letters
> > > etc very appealing but will have to deal with the awful Germans
> > > including Goethe whose last words "Give me your little paw" very
> > > off putting. The Brontes -- must be dealt with and, in general,
> > > except (as I now concede) for the sensibilty of Thomas Love
Peacock
> > > and a few others the period is like being stuck in a room
> > > full of Barrymores forever. Good if confused sex, good if
confused
> > > talk, overseen by nautical gentlemen.
> > >
> > > 7. The Victorians. The Kraken is sexy but except for Dickens the
> > > novels are wretched.
> > >
> > > 8. Modernism -- I understand that there is a center for the study
> > > of Modernism. Let them do it.
> > >
> > > 9. More or less recent stuff. Very poor show in Poetry. Prose
> > > somewhat better but I don't understand why reading most of it
> > > is not conceived as similar to reading the novels of John
> > > O'Hara when your adenoids are misbehaving.
> > > So I wanted a salary of 90,000 a year -- at least. This was in
93. I'd
> > > require at least 3 times that now.
> > >
> > > On 10/29/07, Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am also a teacher, Kenneth. And I can consider myself lucky
because
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > do translations and teach evening adult courses to round the
meager
> > > > budget.
> > > > I don't think I fit any prototype, and my colleagues are very
> > different.
> > > > It
> > > > is a job but I like it, and that is why I still do it.
> > > >
> > > > On 10/29/07, Kenneth Wolman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Borges Accardi wrote:
> > > > > > Pardon my posting here, but just saw this job announcement for
> > > > creative
> > > > > writing at Pueblo Col.? They're paying $25,000 for TWO semesters
of
> > > > teaching
> > > > > and committee work?? Are they delusional? 12 units of teaching
per
> > > > semester
> > > > > at $12,000 a semester??? I am aghast.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you. I am now cured:-).
> > > > >
> > > > > ken
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------
> > > > > Kenneth Wolman rainermaria.typepad.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "I agree with the Chekhov character who, when in a crisis, he is
> > > > > reminded that 'this, too, shall pass,' responds 'Nothing
> > > > > passes.'"--Philip Roth
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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