Heather:

This may be one of those situations when we should all just walk 
away. The hiatus is a good idea. When Joe comes back in a month all 
this will have passed, if we don't pour gas on the flames.

Mark

At 08:52 AM 10/31/2007, you wrote:
>OK.  I normally don't say anything but I'm finding this back and forth
>argument ridiculous.  I assume you are both adults but with the rude and
>snippy remarks on both sides, I would think you were both 12.  My mother
>used to always tell me that when someone acts petty or makes insulting
>remarks, to be the bigger person and walk away.  It's hard advice to take
>when your 12 but as an adult I've found it very useful.  ALSO, most
>importantly, I follow the advice of will this affect you in a month, a year,
>your lifetime?  I would say in the case of this string of conversation, it
>wouldn't affect you in anyway.
>
>I'm not sure if you are threatening to go so the rest of us will beg you
>back, but if this is the kind of conversations that will result from that,
>then I don't want that.  I'm from a family of guilters and I can read it a
>mile away.
>
>Please please all, in future, can we keep our tempers in check, act like the
>adults we are and continue to have the joyous and stimulating conversation
>that I enjoy from this list?  Even though I don't always write, I do enjoy
>reading and don't appreciate when it degrades to tempers and tantrums.
>
>Heather
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Duemer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 31 October 2007 12:00
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Apology
>
>Hi everyone. I want to apologize to the list for being the cause of this
>recent flame out. I like and enjoy you people and am sorry to have caused
>trouble. I specifically exclude Joe Green from this apology, however. I
>detest loudmouth know-it-alls & simply will not be in the room with them,
>even a virtual room. Here is what went down, from my perspective: I had
>grown weary, over the months, or Green's sniping anti-academic bullshit and
>when he served up that remark about never having liked bad poetry -- an
>insult to everyone who was discussing "reevaluations" & not just an insult,
>but a preening, self-aggrandizing insult -- I let him have it. I'm not
>sorry. As a matter of fact, I think his poetry is bad as well.
>
>So I am going to set my account to not deliver any Poetryetc mail & I'll
>busy my self with other things. I will remain subscribed and will remain
>(with Anny) a co-manager of the list, though on leave, as it were. (Sorry,
>Green, I know how much you want the job.)  In a month or so, I will check
>back in, with the hope of finding the lively community I know & admire. At
>that point, Anny & I will decide how best to proceed. And if I may offer a
>bit of advice, list members ought to be recruiting new participants &
>Poetryetc ought to try to bring back some earlier members who have drifted
>away. If I decide to continue, this is something I will also try to do.
>Another idea would be for the list to nominate a small group of "elders" --
>long-time list members, to advise the list managers when conflicts arise.
>
>Finally, I have been corresponding with Jiscmail regarding the long delays
>in posting messages to the list. There appear to have been two server-side
>issues, one masking the other. As of this morning, those seem to be
>resolved. I will keep my eye on the list-owners' forum & let Anny know if
>there are other problems.
>
>For the nonce,
>jd
>
>--
>Joseph Duemer
>Professor of Humanities
>Clarkson University
>[sharpsand.net]