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Re: audience Re: sentimentality & 'classism' Re: New at Sharp Sand

From:

Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:25:59 -0400

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It's almost certainly in the syllabus.


At 04:10 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote:
>And there I was wasting my time at the university and working.
>
>Not hard to understand why I'm a feminist.
>
>Chirs,
>
>Marilyn Monroe
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:42 PM
>Subject: Re: audience Re: sentimentality & 'classism' Re: New at Sharp Sand
>
>
>>Candy Christian, eponymous heroine of Terry Southern's novel 
>>(authorship issues complex), a stylish porno that made all the best 
>>seller lists in the 60s. Also a film of same (1968). Candy 
>>(Candide--get it?) is the ultimate blond California bimbo, so 
>>innocent that she has no idea what's happening to her as she (but 
>>not her men) escapes unharmed from one catastrophic 
>>near-deflowering to the next.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>At 12:37 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote:
>>>Almost the only wisdom I've learned about men is that they're 
>>>furrier than women - and I like that.
>>>
>>>Chirs,
>>>
>>>Candy (whoever she or it is)
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: audience Re: sentimentality & 'classism' Re: New at Sharp Sand
>>>
>>>
>>>>I of course wasn't talking about the reality of the experience, 
>>>>but a male fantasy (which I don't happen to share). It doesn't 
>>>>involve orgasm, just innocent surprise. Think of Mary as Candy 
>>>>(remember her?). Presumably Mary was exempt from Eve's curse and 
>>>>dropped her foal as easily as the beasts of the field.
>>>>
>>>>One of my exes, on the other hand, described giving birth as the 
>>>>most amazing sexual experience of her life. I sincerely doubt 
>>>>that this is typical, but it aparently happens. Almost the only 
>>>>wisdom men ever acquire about women is that they're all different.
>>>>
>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>At 11:15 AM 10/28/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>I was being ironic, Anny.  Thanks for the tip about Groddeck 
>>>>>whose ideas I've briefly skimmed online.  Most of his notions - 
>>>>>and idiosync-ed personality - are delightful counters to the 
>>>>>leaden, linear scientists of psychoramble.  But re childbirth's 
>>>>>pleasures, Groddeck was wrong. Breastfeeding - now that's a 
>>>>>distinct sexual pleasure; pity so few folks are willing to acknowledge it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chirs,
>>>>>
>>>>>Judy
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Anny Ballardini" 
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:54 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: audience Re: sentimentality & 'classism' Re: New at 
>>>>>Sharp Sand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Which was supported by Groddeck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 10/27/07, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ah yes, how could I have forgotten the orgiastic pleasures of giving
>>>>>>>birth?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bad Mark, and Way-Off-The-Mark Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:44 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: audience Re: sentimentality & 'classism' Re: New at Sharp Sand
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A thought about the appeal of the myth of the
>>>>>>>virgin birth. Is it because men enjoy the fantasy
>>>>>>>of a young girl wide-eyed with surprise at what's
>>>>>>>happening in her nether regions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bad Mark, bad Mark!

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