Tim is correct, the ICO used to get 'grant in aid' from central government equivalent to their fee income to fund their DP activities but they now just keep the cash and get nothing from central Government.
FOI activities are still funded by 'grant in aid'.
Lee
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From: Turner, Tim
Sent: Wed 01 August 2007 10:45
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Voluntary Bodies
It doesn't cost them £35 to process a notification, because the Commissioner now keeps all of the Notification fees, and funds the Data Protection side of the business from the proceeds. The money used to be handed back to the Treasury, but instead they keep it. I think they get funding for FOI, but I might be wrong.
They got £10,167,000 from notification fees last year (see the Annual Report for more exciting figures like this).
Tim Turner
Data Protection / FOI Officer
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From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Ticher
Sent: Wed 01 August 2007 10:10
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Voluntary Bodies
Many small charities get this advice from the OIC. It is often wrong, in my opinion. And if you speak to a different advisor you won't necessarily get the same advice.
Could it be possible that it actually costs them more than £35 to process a register entry, and they are trying to discourage borderline registrations that they perceive as low risk?
Paul Ticher
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From: "Gordon Wanless" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Voluntary Bodies
I am involved with a charity that re-opened a closed council swimming pool and now runs it as a charitable company.
We collect information from supporters and users of the pool who make use of monthly passes etc.
I was worried about whether we should notify with the UKIC and when I checked with them, they said that we didn't have to, so we didn't!
I know it's only £35, but as a charity you don't want to spend anymore money than you have to.
Regards,
Gordon. 1/8/07
Gordon Wanless
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>>> Iain Harrison <[log in to unmask]> 30/07/2007 11:45 >>>
I would add my support. I have dealt with several such bodies and when you actually look at what they do with personal data, notifying seems the safest course to take.
Iain
Iain Harrison
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>>> Simon Howarth <[log in to unmask]> 30/07/2007 11:34 >>>
I agree with Tim. I think it would be very wise to voluntarily register, even if it is determined that the charity is exempt (I don't think it is though). I do a lot of work in the education sector (Government
departments)
and without going into reams of typing, I would recommend registration.
Regards,
Simon Howarth.
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
Sent: 27 July 2007 17:08
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Voluntary Bodies
Renzo,
Knowing that every penny is important for a charity, and that even £35 spent with the UKIC is money that can't be used for charitable purposes, I'd still suggest notification in order to reduce the whole slew of uncertainties that being exempt or not exempt creates.
Your thoughts on their being potentially exempt seem to gel with the wording you quote. However, what happens if a purpose varies even slightly and thus removes potential exemption?
Against notification is the fact that the UKIC takes several warning attempts before enforcing the offence of non registration, so it could be a worthwhile gamble, but is the hassle worth it?
Marchini, Renzo wrote:
I am helping a charity on a pro-bono basis in relation to a number of issues. Without giving too much away about the identity of the charity, they seek to help individuals get back into education and/or work.
They
are handling personal data (in fact, sensitive personal data) of the individuals they seek to help.
I am wondering whether they need to notify to the ICO or can rely on the exemption set out in Para 5 of the schedule to the Data Protection
Notification Regs 2000 (non profit-making organisations). The issue
I
have is whether the individuals which are assisted (on a perhaps one-off
basis) fall within the "exempt purpose" set out in para (b):
(b) is for the purposes of establishing or maintaining membership of or support for the body or association, or providing or administering activities for individuals who are either members of the body or association or have regular contact with it;
Assuming that my client "administers activities" for them whilst providing its assistance (which I think it does), is that individual which the charity is helping someone who has "regular contact" with them (they are not members)? My instinct is no, and the exemption does not therefore apply, but wonder if anyone has considered the meaning of that expression in this context.
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