Hi,

I personally am not concerned as much (as I should be?) with the security
- Wiki's tend to get attacked but as you point out the databases contain
all the old articles and can be backed up on a regular basis.

There has been enough concern expressed to me by different folks that I
took down the xtals.org/wiki, in order to avoid confusion.

I would guess the biggest advantage of a truly commercial solution for
this wiki is the fact that it would be managed and backed up by someone
who is paid for their services.

For all it's worth, I generally agree with the proponents of the more
"open" approach to wiki - such as articles could be written by anyone who
has a 'real name registration'. Any kind of rigorous procedure designed to
select 'worthy' contributors goes against the spirit of the whole
enterprise, in my opinion :)

Artem

> Kevin Cowtan schrieb:
>> Yes, that is our intention. CCP4 would probably be at the third level of
>>  a hierarchy including:
>>
>> Macromolecular crystallographic techniques
>>   Structure solution, analysis and visualisation software
>>     The CCP4 suite
>
> Kevin,
>
> why does/will/should the CCP4 Wiki have a hierarchy at all? I thought
> that the structure of the Wiki emerges from the links between the
> articles.
> As far as I know the MediaWiki software does not even support a
> hierarchy (but of course I may be wrong, and other software might
> support it).
>
> And why are you concerned about security? In what sense? Breakins into
> the computer that runs the software, or vandalism of articles? I believe
> the first point is best dealt with by setting up a virtual machine
> dedicated to the Wiki, and running an OS that gets automatic security
> updates for a number of years. The "vandalism" thing is probably less of
> an issue than it is in Wikipedia - but even at the Wikipedia scale it
> can be handled well, it seems.
>
> One other thing that I thought about has to do with permissions. Let me
> explain. The easiest way to come up with useful articles would probably
> be to just write summaries citing people's emails to the CPP4BB. Citing
> Eleanor's postings alone would certainly produce a great Wiki! But - is
> it appropriate/allowed to cite people's old emails to the CCP4BB on the
> Wiki, without their consent? I for one would certainly give permission
> to cite my earlier CCP4BB postings, provided they are cited in the
> proper context.
>
> And finally: why is there a concern by some people about the "premature"
> setup of a Wiki, like the one that was set up by Artem? If the articles
> in a Wiki are good they can just be copied over to the "CCP4 Wiki" when
> it exists. At least that is my understanding concerning Wikipedia
> articles - you can just use them under the GNU Free Documentation License.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kay
>
>>
>> So there would be room for other software packages at the same level as
>> CCP4, and things like purification and crystallisation off of the top
>> level.
>>
>> James Stroud wrote:
>>> Would a "CCP4 wiki" be different from a general crystallography wiki?
>>> Would it reflect, for instance, the breadth of topics on the CCP4BB?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 23 July 2007 09:57, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>>> Contributions from volunteers to establish and maintain the CCP4 wiki
>>>> will
>>>> be definitely appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>
>