I thought linguistics and poetics look at the same lines from
different angles. However, linguistics is descriptive, whilst poetic
meter tends to be prescriptive. See earlier discussion on meter, which
I thought you agreed with.
Roger
On 6/5/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> alright, I recant. :)
> what I was getting at though, was that 'metre' isn't something that
> exists only in textbooks or in 17th-century poetry, but in everyday
> speech. you can call it intonation, stress pattern, cadence, whatever
> you like; but to me 'metre' is just another word in a similar string.
>
> KS
>
> On 05/06/07, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Rhythm is meter? Sort of like saying
> > that tonality is music. Methinks you're
> > not taking the word seriously enough.
> >
> > Btw, Eliot was talking about taxis. ;)
> >
> > Hal
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:47 AM, kasper salonen wrote:
> >
> > > people take the word 'metre' too seriously. wasn't it Eliot who said
> > > there's no escaping metre, only mastery of it?
> > > metre is inescapable. rhythm IS metre, or metre is just a way of
> > > classifying rhythm. I didn't mean prosody, using metric schemes, but
> > > the broader sense.
> > >
> > > KS
> > >
> > > On 05/06/07, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> Always, in fact.
> > >>
> > >> But Kasper, I'm now even more unsure of what you mean. You seem, most
> > >> of the time, to not be interesting in trad verse, yet refer here to
> > >> metre, etc. I would argue that 'music' in poetry emerges from rhythm,
> > >> sound patterns, etc., can include metre in some cases, but, as Pound
> > >> argues, rhythm is the key, & isn't necessarily metre, but needs to be
> > >> present in a way it is not in prose.
> > >>
> > >> His articles from early in the 20th century are still a good place to
> > >> begin thinking these things through....
> > >>
> > >> Of course, your fav. wcw. had some intriguing things to say about
> > >> rhythm & sound, too.... especially as he attempted to discover an
> > >> American metric in his later poems....
> > >>
> > >> Doug
> > >> On 4-Jun-07, at 9:53 AM, kasper salonen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > haha, wonderful quote Hal.
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