all sawn down but three Jennifer, to my lasting woe. there's now some
jerk's huge house where our huge garden used to be.
KS
On 29/06/07, Jennifer Compton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 20 apple trees - amazing!!!!!
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Snap Both Their Necks Early
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:12:43 +0300
>
> Barry, I'm not sure how to assess the english-poetry-introduction
> query (which wasn't a query); do you mean english poetry in english,
> or in translation?
>
> where did my aesthetics come from! what a big question.
> having lived very close to nature all my life (we had almost twenty
> apple trees in our garden) & having observed all the seasons with
> clarity (winter is wintry, summer summery, unlike in some very
> warm/cold countries) have been my main trigger I think. as for poetry,
> the first poet I can recall really reading -- apart from Emily
> Dickinson & EAPoe in junior high which only just count -- is Ted
> Hughes. my work before I read him was metric & unformed, but looking
> back, a lot of that stuff is extremely imagistic, even moreso than
> now; the mythic & the surreal-in-Nature were strongly present, though
> only in a juvenile way. with Hughes I feel like I was introduced to a
> way of controlling those tones & images (the form of my writing was
> recently called 'traditional'; well, I got it from Teddy), though at
> the same time I probably lost something else. 'Tractor' & 'Wind' are
> the first of his poems I read, & I was blown away at the time. so the
> shamanistic/magical have been present all along, sure; though at times
> the work of Dylan Thomas is SO magical & apocalyptic that I find
> myself needing to steady myself to not get fed up with the grandeur
> (which is easy, considering the incredible language the man used; he's
> a more recent idol than Hughes).
>
> I've never gotten into reading in finnish. Saarikoski, Eino Leino,
> Katri Vala, Eeva Kilpi & Aaro Hellaakoski make up the entirety of my
> finnish poetry contact, which has all been skindeep; & I find that I'm
> not in love with the work of any of them (least of all Leino, our
> national poet).
> I'm certinly aware of Lehto, his english poetry is alright by me;
> Hollo I've not read, though I've heard of him. I suppose I've
> concerned myself with getting familiar with british/american Greats
> rather than keeping up with modern (er, current) times, all laxly.
> when I read a finnish poetry magazine called Tuli&Savu that I've
> mentioned (which Lehto 'recreated' & managed for a long time), I get
> the feeling that current finnish poetry is all about being
> cutting-edge & superinnovative & "[post+POST]-mode-rn"", it annoys me.
> then again there are many young poets that I've come across briefly
> who write with their feet a little more firmly on the ground (or at
> least closer to the ground), often in prose-poetry. it bores me more
> often than it excites me.
>
>
> woah how did this get to be all about me & me interpreting modern
> finnish poetics? I know jackshit about it, to be honest. just spewing
> my impressions of things here.
>
> oh, p.s.: Kaurismäki is a fucking genius. check out his film
> "Boheemielämää" ('bohemian life', which I think is actually titled in
> french [since it takes place in Paris & it's spoken in french, though
> my finnish actors] 'La Vie de Bohéme').
>
> KS
>
>
> On 27/06/07, Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >I can well imagine "New Criticism" underlying the manner in which
> >literature written in English is introduced to students in Finland, with
> >perhaps a multiplicity of literary theories entering the classroom at the
> >university level. Can you trace where your aesthetics came from, Kasper?
> >And have you encountered the poems and ideas of the two Finns writing in
> >English who must be known by some regular posters to this list, Leevi Lehto
> >and Anselm Hollo? I find the Finnish filmmaker Aki Kaurismaki's outlook
> >simpatico & love his work with the "folk-rock" band The Leningrad Cowboys
> >(and the soundtracks for his films in general), and have been able to write
> >via his films without ever thinking of "New Criticism":
> >
> ><http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=361>
> >
> ><http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=360>
> >
> >Barry
> >
> >On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:21:44 +0300, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>
> >wrote:
> >
> > >quite so! local markets are limited in this arena
> > >
> > >KS
> > >
> > >On 26/06/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> I like the "hyper," Patrick, but the moniker as a
> > >> whole seems too long. And adding "Finnish" limits the
> > >> critics and audience just when Kasper's ready to go
> > >> world wide with his theory.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > "post-New Finnish hyper Critical"?
> > >> > P
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> > >> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > >> > Behalf Of MC Ward
> > >> > Sent: 26 June 2007 00:19
> > >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > Subject: Re: Snap Both Their Necks Early
> > >> >
> > >> > How about "post-New Critical"? You could even be the
> > >> > founder of a movement or a backlash, as the case may
> > >> > be.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I'd be astonished if there were some single
> > >> > literary
> > >> > > theory or
> > >> > > approach that would work not only for all of
> > >> > poetry,
> > >> > > but for all
> > >> > > readers. I don't know what to call my stance,
> > >> > maybe
> > >> > > someone would like
> > >> > > to yell out "naïve"?
> > >> > > (:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > KS
> >
>
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