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Re: Snap Both Their Necks Early

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kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:41:49 +0300

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Anny, I'm quite self-centered & enjoy answering questions about myself.

I was born in Finland (87), and my father, mother & I moved to England
when I was only months old because my father got a job at the BBC. we
lived there for 9 years, often visiting Finland for short periods at a
time, until we returned here for good. plus, as I told Barry, my
schooling has all been in english.

KS

On 28/06/07, Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> This is all very interesting. I hope this question is not too personal, were
> you born in Finland? If yes, how come you speak and write English so well?
>
>
>
> On 6/28/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Barry, I'm not sure how to assess the english-poetry-introduction
> > query (which wasn't a query); do you mean english poetry in english,
> > or in translation?
> >
> > where did my aesthetics come from! what a big question.
> > having lived very close to nature all my life (we had almost twenty
> > apple trees in our garden) & having observed all the seasons with
> > clarity (winter is wintry, summer summery, unlike in some very
> > warm/cold countries) have been my main trigger I think. as for poetry,
> > the first poet I can recall really reading -- apart from Emily
> > Dickinson & EAPoe in junior high which only just count -- is Ted
> > Hughes. my work before I read him was metric & unformed, but looking
> > back, a lot of that stuff is extremely imagistic, even moreso than
> > now; the mythic & the surreal-in-Nature were strongly present, though
> > only in a juvenile way. with Hughes I feel like I was introduced to a
> > way of controlling those tones & images (the form of my writing was
> > recently called 'traditional'; well, I got it from Teddy), though at
> > the same time I probably lost something else. 'Tractor' & 'Wind' are
> > the first of his poems I read, & I was blown away at the time. so the
> > shamanistic/magical have been present all along, sure; though at times
> > the work of Dylan Thomas is SO magical & apocalyptic that I find
> > myself needing to steady myself to not get fed up with the grandeur
> > (which is easy, considering the incredible language the man used; he's
> > a more recent idol than Hughes).
> >
> > I've never gotten into reading in finnish. Saarikoski, Eino Leino,
> > Katri Vala, Eeva Kilpi & Aaro Hellaakoski make up the entirety of my
> > finnish poetry contact, which has all been skindeep; & I find that I'm
> > not in love with the work of any of them (least of all Leino, our
> > national poet).
> > I'm certinly aware of Lehto, his english poetry is alright by me;
> > Hollo I've not read, though I've heard of him. I suppose I've
> > concerned myself with getting familiar with british/american Greats
> > rather than keeping up with modern (er, current) times, all laxly.
> > when I read a finnish poetry magazine called Tuli&Savu that I've
> > mentioned (which Lehto 'recreated' & managed for a long time), I get
> > the feeling that current finnish poetry is all about being
> > cutting-edge & superinnovative & "[post+POST]-mode-rn"", it annoys me.
> > then again there are many young poets that I've come across briefly
> > who write with their feet a little more firmly on the ground (or at
> > least closer to the ground), often in prose-poetry. it bores me more
> > often than it excites me.
> >
> >
> > woah how did this get to be all about me & me interpreting modern
> > finnish poetics? I know jackshit about it, to be honest. just spewing
> > my impressions of things here.
> >
> > oh, p.s.: Kaurismäki is a fucking genius. check out his film
> > "Boheemielämää" ('bohemian life', which I think is actually titled in
> > french [since it takes place in Paris & it's spoken in french, though
> > my finnish actors] 'La Vie de Bohéme').
> >
> > KS
> >
> >
> > On 27/06/07, Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > I can well imagine "New Criticism" underlying the manner in which
> > > literature written in English is introduced to students in Finland, with
> > > perhaps a multiplicity of literary theories entering the classroom at
> > the
> > > university level.  Can you trace where your aesthetics came from,
> > Kasper?
> > > And have you encountered the poems and ideas of the two Finns writing in
> > > English who must be known by some regular posters to this list, Leevi
> > Lehto
> > > and Anselm Hollo?  I find the Finnish filmmaker Aki Kaurismaki's outlook
> > > simpatico & love his work with the "folk-rock" band The Leningrad
> > Cowboys
> > > (and the soundtracks for his films in general), and have been able to
> > write
> > > via his films without ever thinking of "New Criticism":
> > >
> > > <http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=361>
> > >
> > > <http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=printpage&pid=360>
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:21:44 +0300, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >quite so! local markets are limited in this arena
> > > >
> > > >KS
> > > >
> > > >On 26/06/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >> I like the "hyper," Patrick, but the moniker as a
> > > >> whole seems too long. And adding "Finnish" limits the
> > > >> critics and audience just when Kasper's ready to go
> > > >> world wide with his theory.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > "post-New Finnish hyper Critical"?
> > > >> > P
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> > > >> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > > >> > Behalf Of MC Ward
> > > >> > Sent: 26 June 2007 00:19
> > > >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> > Subject: Re: Snap Both Their Necks Early
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How about "post-New Critical"? You could even be the
> > > >> > founder of a movement or a backlash, as the case may
> > > >> > be.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I'd be astonished if there were some single
> > > >> > literary
> > > >> > > theory or
> > > >> > > approach that would work not only for all of
> > > >> > poetry,
> > > >> > > but for all
> > > >> > > readers. I don't know what to call my stance,
> > > >> > maybe
> > > >> > > someone would like
> > > >> > > to yell out "naïve"?
> > > >> > > (:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > KS
> > >
> >
>

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