Ken, let it all hang out. If there is a sense on the list that we need to
hold a vote of confidence, that's fine by me. If the list has become
"corporate," "closed," etc. & people would like to make a change, just say
the word.
jd
On 6/9/07, Kenneth Wolman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Joseph Duemer wrote:
> > Judy, that's an interesting idea. Let's let this die down a bit, then
> > consider it.
>
> Has anyone sensed that the "governance" here is becoming less like a
> list and more like IBM or Morgan Stanley? I miss anarchy but I'll
> settle for democracy if I can't get a street riot going. And I miss
> most of all the idea that anyone...*anyone*...is magically shielded from
> being offended. It's popular to dump on "political correctness" but
> it's still very much alive. If you want to see what this place is
> really made of, make a positive comment on certain subjects. How's
> religion grab you? So we self-censor instead. Alison is now among the
> May Not Be Discussed. Like bloody hell.
>
> The Earl of Kent is my hero. He took one's part who's out of favor.
> > Joseph Duemer
> > Co-Mgr. Poetryetc
> >
> > On 6/9/07, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> For my own part, I've offended pretty much everybody on Poetryetc in my
> >> couple years on the list---sometimes with great delight---and don't
> >> recall
> >> every apologizing, do recall threatening to quit the list a couple
> >> times.
>
> Quite true, Judy, you have, but sometimes it's necessary. It's just
> offline personal offense that is a bit hard to take, no matter its
> source. That's why I take my issues public. So there are witnesses. I
> don't have private dialogues with listowners, I bring it right out in
> the open. That way when I get kicked I know why.
> >> Howzis: Let's have a general call for the inviting back of folks
> who've
> >> been bounced or who've left the list. I kind of miss Bad Man
> >> Bircumshaw.
>
> I don't. I don't miss anyone I can't see or read. Deborah Humphries.
> Jenniffer Lesh. Douglas Clark. Phantasmi. That's list life. Out of
> sight, out of mind--no more original than that wind-broken cliche.
>
> In the last 18 months I've been (in order) fired from five jobs, flunked
> out of school, attempted suicide, gone to jail, and been physically
> assaulted. So as for the "rules" of poetryetc, to quote James Bond, Do
> I look as though I give a damn?
>
> Ken
>
> --
> --------------------
> Ken Wolman rainermaria.typepad.com
>
> "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten
> system"--Dorothy Day
>
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Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
[sharpsand.net]
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