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Subject:

Re: Poetry, Language, Thought. Essays and Conferences

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Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]>

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Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 17 May 2007 18:02:43 +0200

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Dear Eduardo,

Thanks for your reply.

My contrast between Heidegger and Wittgenstein 
did not involve contrasts inherent in their 
philosophies. It had to do with the implicit 
emphasis on Heidegger in the Design Philosophy 
Papers CFP as contrasted with David's emphasis on 
Wittgenstein in his philosophical inquiries.

The Vienna Circle loathed Heidegger, but I don't 
think that Wittgenstein despised Heidegger. He 
kept his distance from the Vienna Circle on many 
issues. He also refused to attend their meetings 
despite repeated invitations to do so.

My attempt to frame the clash of language here 
involved describing two language positions 
arising from different nomoi. Or perhaps it 
involved two nomoi that emerge from differing 
ways to use language. Either way, I wasn't posing 
Heidegger and Wittgenstein against each other in 
any larger sense.

Peirce and Popper raise yet more questions. I 
respect Peirce, but I can't say that I aspire to 
Peircian clarity. Ordinary English clarity via 
Samuel Johnson or even Winston Churchill would do 
just fine. My prose models today would be 
Clifford Geertz, Mary Catherine Bateson, Ursula 
K. Le Guin, or Daniel Boorstin.

Popper's brief debate with Wittgenstein was 
something else. I agree with both positions in 
that debate. As Popper argues, life presents 
genuine philosophical problems. As Wittgenstein 
argues, many apparent problems are simply puzzles 
that we can dissolve by clarifying language. Thus 
my appreciation for clarity. That and the fact 
that clarity helps us to speak across cultures, 
disciplines, and groups.

Yours,

Ken



Eduardo Corte Real wrote:

-snip-

My "Building Dwelling Thinking" was "Bātir, 
Habiter Penser" and the book was Essays et 
Conferences and not Poetry, Language, Thought. It 
is interesting that your wonderful post digresses 
through these maters. We must confront what are 
the essays in both editions. Thinking about 
Language and Thought, naturally, you oppose or 
complement Heidegger with Wittgenstein (somehow a 
red worm in my word processor underlines 
Heidegger as an error and Wittgenstein doesn't. I 
guess that's what you meant by different 
traditions) apart from Vienna's Circle loathing 
of his philosophy.

I also was appalled by Heidegger's apparent lack 
of tact in talking about the "fourfold" when 
Europe was laid in ruins caused by the Nazi 
folly. I wrote about it in "How to make your 
ideas obscure." Back then, I opposed Heidegger 
with Peirce, a very good but insidious man that 
is behind, I think, the forms of clarity that 
David, Chris and you, still, embrace and not 
Wittgenstein's.

In Wittgenstein's Poker: The Story of a 
Ten-Minute Argument Between Two Great 
Philosophers, by David Edmonds and David Eidinow, 
we can read about the opposition between 
Wittgenstein and Karl Popper which one could 
summarize, from Popper's side, on the lack of 
Wittgenstein's interest in the real human 
problems reducing philosophy to riddles of words 
constructions.

The way in which philosophy escape from the nomic 
anathema that you speak of has been by plunging 
deeply in sentiments (funny that you bring 
Kierkegaard into the conversation) which tend to 
afflict both barbarians and Greeks. That's why 
suffering is so worked out.

-snip-

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