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Re: Academic 'Family Tree'

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Kerstin Sailer <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:01:14 +0100

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Dear Ruth,

I guess the difference between the supervising and the co-authorship 
network is that co-authoring is a lot more open than supervising and 
hence more network-like.

What you are missing with the tree of supervision is people like me, 
that are formally supervised by someone external to the space syntax 
community, but I do use a lot of space syntax in my PhD and I discuss my 
work with Alan, so in a way he is supervising, without being my formal 
supervisor. But as we have published papers together, you would find a 
link in co-author networks between the two of us.

BTW, I know that the Social Network community (INSNA - international 
network of social network analysis) repeatedly researches their own 
patterns of networking at their annual sunbelt conferences. This 
research is a cooperation between Timothy Huerta (University of British 
Columbia), Ines Mergel (Harvard) and Jennifer van Stelle (Stanford) and 
I guess they have published their work somewhere.

Cheers,
Kerstin





Ruth Conroy Dalton wrote:
> I have seen multi-rooted 'trees' in other academic geneology archives; 
> these can only occur if a student has been jointly supervised, to the 
> extent that both academics are 'cited' as being co-supervisors. I don't 
> think that we permit joint-first supervisors at UCL, but perhaps other 
> institutions do.
> 
> Of course - if we could put in links to include second supervisors and 
> then some kind of tertiary link for external examiners, it could get 
> much more 'networky' and less dendritic. (If I put this into Pajek, I 
> could use edge-weights for these - 3 for primary supervisor, 2 for 
> secondary supervisor and 1 for an external examiner...)
> 
> I wonder what the relationship between the geneological tree and the 
> co-author network would look like? On the one hand, it is not uncommon 
> to publish with one's supervisor, however, I would imagine that the 
> co-author network might be more concentrated on 'inter-generational' 
> links (i.e. you are more likely to publish with your 'peers' than your 
> 'parents'). However, I've not thought this through too deeply. It's 
> interesting that space syntax talks about social networks all the time 
> and yet we do not stop to study our own. Is this a case of shoemaker's 
> children being ill-shod or is it another phenomenon?
> 
> Ruth
> 
> ps - I've had a few in so far - more would be welcome.
> 
> 
>> Well given that the family tree is a tree then the most integrated 
>> person is going to be either the root or in the case of a multi rooted 
>> tree the root with most connections.
>>
>> Luacs's co-citation network would most likely to be more interesting 
>> from the integration point of view.
>>
>> sheep
>>
>>
>> On 4 Apr 2007, at 18:42, Frederico de Holanda wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ruth, please find bilow the information.
>>> Regards
>>> Fred
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Frederico de Holanda
>>>  
>>> Cond. Vivendas Colorado 1, Mod. J, Casa 1
>>> 73070-015  Brasília  DF
>>> Brasil
>>>  
>>> Fone / Phone: (0xx61) 34859641  /  +556134859641
>>> Celular / Mobile: (0xx61) 99861724  /  +556199861724
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>     *From:* Ruth Conroy Dalton <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>     *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:30 AM
>>>
>>>     *Subject:* Academic 'Family Tree'
>>>
>>>
>>>     For the purposes of a paper I am writing and, mostly, purely for
>>>     reasons of interest, I am trying to put together the 'academic
>>>     family tree' for space syntax. Many other fields have done this -
>>>     the most detailed example is the mathematical one, which can be
>>>     found at http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/
>>>
>>>
>>>     Barsically, for those who don't know, one's academic 'parent' is
>>>     your doctoral supervisor (PhD, I'm afraid, masters do not count)
>>>     and your own students, upon successful completion, are your
>>>     'children'. So far I have been putting together the primary UCL
>>>     branches, but I'd now like to hear from anyone who has a PhD
>>>     which mostly uses space syntax methods (please use sensible
>>>     judgement here), equally, if you have supervised such PhDs, a
>>>     list of your completed students. Once I have put this together, I
>>>     will place the results online, so that it can be searchable.
>>>
>>>
>>>     So - if you ever wanted to know your parents, nephews, or second
>>>     cousins twice removed, then  this is how to find out!
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ideally I'd like
>>>
>>>
>>>     Name: Frederico de Holanda
>>>
>>>     Year of PhD thesis: 1997
>>>
>>>     Title of thesis: Exceptional space
>>>
>>>     Supervisor: Bill Hillier
>>>
>>>
>>>     (But it's the name and supervisor that are most important)
>>>
>>>
>>>     (In the American system, this would be the chair of your
>>>     committee or in the UK system your primary supervisor).
>>>
>>>
>>>     For those interested,
>>>
>>>
>>>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_genealogy
>>>
>>>
>>>     There are some good links from the Wikipedia entry. I
>>>     particularly like the neurology one.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Just think - if we eventually have the full network, we could
>>>     identify the most 'integrated' individuals!
>>>
>>>
>>>     By the way, my hunch is that we've made it to four generations
>>>     already - but there may be a few surprises. Please respond.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ruth
>>>
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     ----------------------------
>>>
>>>     Dr Ruth Conroy Dalton
>>>     Room 334
>>>     The Bartlett School of Graduate Studies
>>>
>>>     University College London
>>>
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>>>
>>>     London WC1E 6BT
>>>
>>>     Tel. +44 20 7679 5924
>>>
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> 
> 

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