Hi
We seem to be getting in a bit of a fankle (sorry - Scots expression) on
this latest thread. I'm reluctant to close it off or drive it into the
Chat-Room since it's exactly the sort of discussion the list was created
for. It seems to me that the thread was/is covering two distinct areas:
1. The history of European TCs and the mistakes they have made and
whether we can learn from them - Peter in particular felt that we were
glossing over the mistakes. My view is that whilst that may have
happened on this list, on other lists the reverse is true. I think that
a discussion of past problems is useful to developing our discussion
about ways forward.
2. The problem of alcohol-use in European TCs - this thread seems to me
to divide into two sub-threads. First there is the issue of the
pressures exerted by the system on staff who are expected to function as
role models and how problems are dealt with when they arise. The second
is the re-introduction or re-integration of residents into a society
where drinking alcohol is the norm.
What I would propose is that I start two new discussion threads to
separate this two distinct issues out. I'm not going to be very
democratic about this - my view is that if people don't agree with this
analysis/development they will simply not respond to the new threads.
But I am anxious that we include more members of the list in these
discussions and I look forward to all your views.
Rowdy Yates
Senior Research Fellow
Scottish Addiction Studies
Sociology, Social Policy & Criminology Section
Department of Applied Social Science
University of Stirling
W: http://www.dass.stir.ac.uk/sections/scot-ad/
T: +44(0)1786 - 467737
M: 07894- 864897
NOTE: EFTC Conference, 6 - 9 June 2007, Ljubljana, Slovenia
W: http://www.eftc-europe.com/conferentie/
-----Original Message-----
From: Therapeutic Communities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anthony
Slater
Sent: 09 March 2007 09:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject:
Importance: High
Good luck Stewart. Most of what you refer to in your postings has been
well documented in the literature, Broekaert, Kooyman, Yates and others.
The past provides us all with learning lessons, as you point out.
There are many new therapeutic communities throughout Europe who are
building their expertise on present time experience, standards and
values.
It is not them who need to pull their heads out of the sand, at all.
I look forward to meeting you at some point in the future; and we can
talk about this more should you so wish.
I do hope you are recovering from your recent car accident and wish you
well with your proposed book regarding your experiences.
Anthony Slater.
Director, Phoenix Haga.
President, E.F.T.C.
Folkenborgveien 198,
1850 Mysen, Norway.
Tel: + 47 69 89 82 50.
Fax: + 47 69 89 82 51.
e-post: [log in to unmask]
http://www.phoenixhouse.no
http://www.eftc-europe.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Therapeutic Communities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart
Dickson
Sent: 9. mars 2007 10:33
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Dope Fiends in Disneyland
The point I was trying to make is that the effectiveness of some of the
early TC appears to being forgotten and yes their was abuse and despite
that a great deal of good work was progresses. How many of us on these
lists today wouldn't be their if it wasn't for the early Concept Based
TC's. I'm not a zealot just some one with 30 years experienced in the
field and I hope an none jaundiced and balanced view. If some think that
a retrospective look at the 20th century is adversely affecting the
21st then they should pull their heads out of the sand and realise we
are all the sum of our histories.
Stewart Dickson
Team Manager
Criminal Justice Addictions Team
01779499960
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