medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I went to a lecture last night at the U. of Washington on religion &
violence. The speaker's conclusions, after 4 years of study, 2000+
interviews with US Protestants, & many many books on many other
religions across history, was:
well, yes and no.
Luis Gutierrez theorizes about religion but he talks about
Christianity. He has yet to define religion.
Luis Gutierrez wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> Terrill Heaps wrote:
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>> Luis Gutierrez wrote:
>>> However, the Thomas Aquinas teaching
>>> is still perpetuated in many churches
>>> that refuse to ordain women and give them
>>> roles of religious authority.
>>> This goes back to a literalist reading
>>> of St Paul and Genesis 3:16.
>> The fact that the Church only ordains males has nothing to do with
>> who wasn't even born, until 1225. Neither has it anything to do with
>> mythos of creation in Genesis. It has to do with following that which
>> established by the individual whom Luiz described as the one "who was
>> human without ceasing to be fully divine."
> What about St. Paul ... what about Genesis 3:16 ...
> Yes, he is fully divine and fully human. Therefore, unless women are
> not human, he assumed the totality of human nature -- male and female.
> Being male or female is one of the limitations of the human condition.
> Now we know (since Jung) that there is man in woman and woman in man,
> but that's another discussion.
> And no, it has nothing to do with him, unless you insist in a
> *literalist* (as opposed to *literal*) reading of the bible.
>> Luiz states in his original posting, "my working hypothesis is that
>> the human
>> propensity to violence is rooted in pre-historical religious violence."
>> If we take his presuposition that there is a "human propensity to
>> one wonders how he manages to make the category leap from a
>> of humanity to blaming that "characteristic" on religious
>> inculturation. Of
>> course, if religious inculturation is genetically transmittable to
>> the next
>> generation, then one might posit such a view. However, such a view as
>> transmission of religious inculturation is patently absurd. Religious
>> inculturation happens subsequent to one's birth. We are humans at
>> birth. To
>> state that humans have a propensity toward violence, and further to
>> state that
>> such propensity toward violence is an effect of religious inculturation
>> presents a problem. It requires the effect to antedate its own cause.
>> this, being absurd, cannot be.
> Are you familiar with the work of French philosopher-anthropologist
> Ren� Girard? He shows that there is an intrinsic link between
> violence and religion, and that this has been so since primitive
> religions practiced sacred violence (including human sacrifice) to
> appease the Gods when they were in trouble. The crucifixion of Jesus
> is part of that pattern, but critical in that it was the religious
> sacrifice to end all religious sacrifice. Girard's theory of
> religious violence is based on analysis of extant mythologies. You
> may want to take a look at the following:
> Colloquium on Violence and Religion
> Girardian Reflections on the Lectionary
> Heim, S. Mark. Saved from Sacrifice: A Theology of the Cross. Grand
> Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2006. Paperback: 346 pages.
> Publisher's Description: "The cross has long been not only a scandal
> but also a profound paradox: filled with saving significance and
> power, it is at the same time a sobering tragedy. In Saved from
> Sacrifice theologian Mark Heim takes on this paradox, asserting that
> the cross must be understood against the whole history of human
> scapegoating violence. In order to highlight the dimensions of his
> argument, Heim carefully and critically draws on the groundbreaking
> work of French theorist and biblical scholar Ren� Girard. Yet Heim
> goes beyond Girard to develop a comprehensive theology of the
> atonement and the cross through his fresh readings of well-known
> biblical passages and his exploration of the place of the victim."
> The peace of Christ,
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