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Re: review of briefing requirements for federated access management

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Mark Tysom <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion list for Shibboleth developments <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:16:15 -0000

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Hello Ross, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ross MacIntyre
> Sent: 02 March 2007 10:11
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: review of briefing requirements for federated 
> access management
> 
> Mark,
> Thanks for supplying the link to the AttributeUsage document 
> which I'd not seen before. I found that it was linked to from 
> the Support page 
> http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/FedSupport 
> which does link to some other useful documents. I think 
> Mark's comments on the low visibility are fair and could 
> maybe be addressed via an FAQ, perhaps?

Agreed, this is something that we are working on.
 
> [If you do create an FAQ you could include:
> "Can I nominate more than one Management Liaison for my 
> institution?", which is what I've just been through. I can 
> supply background info.]

This will be included in an FAQ.

Regards,

Mark
 
> Cheers,
> Ross
> --------------------------------------------
> Ross MacIntyre        T: +44(0)161-275-7181
> MIMAS Service Manager F: +44(0)161-275-6071 Manchester 
> Computing  M: +44(0)778-095-6424 The University of Manchester 
> Oxford Road Manchester M13 9PL  U.K.
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> Skype: ross.macintyre
> --------------------------------------------
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:JISC- 
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Tysom
> > Sent: 02 March 2007 09:20
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: review of briefing requirements for federated access 
> > management
> > 
> > Hi Mark, many thanks for your feedback on the UK Federation website.
> > 
> > As well as the detailed discussion on attributes in section 
> 7 of the 
> > Technical Recommendations for Participants document, we've 
> listed the 
> > four core attributes here 
> > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/AttributeUsage
> > 
> > If you search for the word "attributes" on the UK 
> Federation website, 
> > this page is listed at the top.
> > 
> > The attributes used within the federation have been 
> categorised into 
> > Core, Subsidiary, Additional and Custom Attributes, as described in 
> > another recent addition to this page 
> > 
> http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/library/uploads/Documents/AttributeSets
> > .p
> > df
> > 
> > Please keep the feedback coming, it's extremely useful to 
> hear these 
> > "real world" experiences!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments 
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Norman
> > > Sent: 22 February 2007 16:50
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: review of briefing requirements for federated access 
> > > management
> > >
> > > Nicole Harris wrote:
> > > > If you have any ideas
> > > > about 'gaps' in information, I'd be very interested to 
> hear them.
> > > > Some of the areas where we know information is still needed are:
> > >
> > > Nicole,
> > >
> > > I've been meaning to send a comment to UKERNA (so apologies to 
> > > anyone from UKERNA who may be watching this list), but your 
> > > initiative seems a good place to submit such a comment.
> > >
> > > We're not a JISC-funded 'early adopter' here in Oxford, 
> but we /are/ 
> > > just beginning to adopt right now.
> > >
> > > Also - I've been a little out of touch over the last 5 or 
> 6 months, 
> > > so apologies if anyone else has addressed this or if 
> policy has been 
> > > changed and been announced.
> > >
> > > Anyway: when I was 'advising' here, I talked up the ease of Shib 
> > > implementation, especially as we are only expecting to serve up 4 
> > > attributes in the short- to medium-term.  This seems sensible as 
> > > both IdPs and SPs need to know what to expect.
> > >
> > > However, a search of the http://www.ukfederation.org.uk 
> doesn't turn 
> > > up any text advising of the 4 attributes (and I therefore 
> wondered 
> > > if the policy had changed).  I found the list of Attribute Usage 
> > > (SPs) quite
> > > easily:
> > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/AttributeUsage
> > >
> > > Eventually a colleague pointed me at:
> > > Transition arrangements -> FedDocs and I found the 4 attributes 
> > > listed at links saying recommendations-for-use-of-personal-data
> > > and
> > > technical-recommendations-for-participants
> > >
> > > Anyway, my point is that this information is somewhere between 
> > > 'basic'
> > > and 'technical' and is the kind of thing needed in order 
> to persuade 
> > > the 'powers that be' in our organisations to implement Shibboleth 
> > > and expose certain data to the outside world.  It should 
> be easier 
> > > to find.
> > >
> > > I'd recommend that it should be found easily from the 
> 'Operational 
> > > Information' link, or maybe the 'Join' major link should go to 
> > > somewhere that has a page saying "What do I have to do to make 
> > > Shibboleth work at my institution?"
> > >
> > > At the moment, it's too much like the other meaning of the word 
> > > "Shibboleth".  People like us can find the information because we 
> > > know quite a bit and we know it's there.  For those who 
> don't know 
> > > so much, there should be a couple of easy entry pages on the 
> > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk site, before sending 
> people away to 
> > > browse through MATU or somewhere.
> > >
> > > I notice that you mention a 'Business Case Toolkit'.  That might 
> > > help or be the very place!
> > >
> > > A few weak promises:
> > > We should be able to submit something about Oxford's experience 
> > > regarding hardware purchases soon (it won't be too interesting, 
> > > though!).  Once we get the arguments thrashed out, we may also be 
> > > able to help with the multiple management domains as 
> well, although 
> > > we are going to campaign hard for only one IdP at Oxford 
> (as our SSO 
> > > reaches across the collegiate University).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Mark Norman
> > > Integration and Development Manager
> > > Oxford University Computing Services Tel. +44 (0)1865 273287
> > >
> 

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