gruzi dirk,

come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful either - 
just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that whenever i get any 
negative reactions to my own postings they stem *exclusively* from any or all 
of these three countries: the us, germany and switzerland. positive reactions, 
on the other hand, are typically from (again) the us and the uk. i think there 
might be a phd thesis in there for some cultural anthropologist)

to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not to teach 
people crystallography from the ground up. that's what supervisors are for. 
and my advice to students without (access to) crystallographically trained 
supervisors would be to apply for a good course (e.g., the one in cold spring 
harbor every autumn), to move elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to 
avoid mono-, di-, tri-, tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of 
a blot on anyone's cv)

i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully" etc. were 
making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a trifle sarcastically, 
perhaps). moreover, these replies came from people who have contributed 
seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions!

look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such postings, 
and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee off the experts who 
take the time to share their knowledge and expertise. if joe bloggs, who never 
posts anything, is annoyed by one of my posts and unsubscribes, that's his 
loss. if, however, people like tassos unsubscribe it's *our* loss!

so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your supervisor and/or 
your colleagues. if they can't help you, search the web with google (in many 
cases your question will have been asked, and answered, before). if you're 
still not happy, then by all means post a message to the appropriate bulletin 
board

darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess i'd 
better move to switzerland then ;-)

--dvd



On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should have clearly 
> given some more informations about what he would like to know, he is probably 
> a beginner in crystallography and simply asked for help on this board. Not 
> everyone has always time or is always in the mood to answer such questions. 
> In my opinion, it's then better not to respond at all than to give an answer 
> like yours that is neither helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep a 
> good style here.
>
> Dirk.
>
> Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
>> why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll process 
>> them, solve the structure and publish it for you.
>> And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky.
>> Mark
>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote:
>> 
>>> Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled protein.How 
>>>>> should I process the data.
>>>> 
>>>> Carefully !
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanx for the help.
>>>>> Shivesh
>>>> 
>>>> Tassos
>>> 
>>>
>>>   i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !"
>>>
>>>   jon
>>> 
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>> 
>> Mark J. van Raaij
>> Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia
>> and
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>> Spain
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
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with best regards,

--gerard

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