>I am interested in information on the first appearance of the English
>term of magician.
The Oxford English Dictionary says it first occurred in 1384 in Chaucer, H.
Fame iii. "Ther saugh I pley Magiciens and tregetours."
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
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>discussion Mogg - Khem:
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>
>Salut,
>
>>> As to whether magick = mechanism - [....]
>>> magick is for many a religious or mystical path -
>> But the connection of Magic and Mechanism is
>> not of my invention - I was referring to
>> the Etymological identity of the words as
>> described by, for example, Dieter Harmening:
>
>the conclusion of his etymology is not correct. blindly following a term
>into the past neglects the evolution of language. even if both words
>have been related in the past, their notions might have changed
>significantly and often gathering more than one definition.
>
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>for those interested in ethymology I give a summary of of the entries in
>Drosdowskis handbook which is in German:
>
>the greek term MAGOS is derived from the name of a median people which
>fulfilled the duties of priests. further the term cannot be traced.
>in German MAGIER (magician) first appeared in the 18th century with the
>connotation of stae magician, before that time the term ZAUBERER which
>is related to runic magic &c has been used.
>
>the greek term MECHANIKE: the art to invent and build machines
>or engines in accordance with natural forces. [sounds a bit like
>Crowley´s definition of magick, s.]
>there is also a related dorian term MACHANA, in classical greek MECHANE:
>tool, war engine. both are derived from the greek root MECHOS: tool,
>facility.
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>
>I am interested in information on the first appearance of the English
>term of magician.
>
>
>>> I'm never happy when i hear some commentators
>>> (for instance Gary Lachman) lay down the law that
>>> magick and mysticism are two mutual exclusive activities -
>
>for some it is, for others not.
>a scientific approach should look for the reasons why people hold/held
>an opinion, in which time, under which circumstances. it is no good to
>construct theories without regarding the underlying reality.
>
>
>....and now I owe the list some kind of introducing myself.
>shrike
>
>--
>"Never offend people with style when you can offend them with
>substance." - Sam Brown
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