I also heard (in a lateral thought) that the only
regret the committee had as to who had been awarded
the prize was Pearl Buck. Anybody read her? I did,
years ago, and as a popular writer far from the
literary.
Candice
He's not the kind of wheel
You fall asleep at
(Tom Waits)
--- Peter Cudmore <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Being English has been the only qualification you
> need in order to be
> overlooked for the Nobel. Leaving aside the Irish,
> among the Brits are
> numbered Eliot and Naipaul; Churchill and Russell.
> (Ah, those were the days,
> when philosophers won the prize for literature.)
>
> Auden's omission would more likely be due to turning
> tory than for being
> gay, since the intent of the prize-givers seems
> seldom to be politically
> neutral.
>
> P
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue
> relating to
> > poetry and poetics
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Roger Day
> > Sent: 09 February 2007 18:16
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Dipodic is...? (Re: is dipodic a
> no-no? )
> >
> > According to the wiki:
> >
> > "It has been suggested that W.H. Auden's poorly
> received (yet
> > bestselling) translation to 1961 Peace Prize
> winner Dag
> > Hammarskjöld's Vägmärken ("Markings"), coupled
> with
> > statements made by Auden during a Scandinavian
> lecture tour
> > suggesting that Hammarskjöld was homosexual (as
> was Auden),
> > put paid to Auden's chances of receiving the
> prize."
> >
> > On 2/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > I heard--many years ago, and probably
> apocryphal--that
> > Auden left the
> > > States and returned to England because he became
> convinced
> > that he'd
> > > never win the Nobel Prize as long as he lived in
> America (poor sod).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I dimly recall Mendelson saying that Auden
> *did repudiate his
> > > > younger self, reverting to toryism and
> christianity. I think the
> > > > dildo in question vanished out of prudishness.
> Defrocked vicar he
> > > > was apparently.
> > > >
> > > > I still like 1st September 1939: I wonder, did
> he write
> > anything as
> > > > good after? I wonder if that first verse is
> the beginning of his
> > > > repudiation?
> > > >
> > > > Roger
> > > >
> > > > On 1/24/07, Robin Hamilton
> > > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > >I just knew you wouldn't be able to resist
> > > > mentioning the Amazing Vanishing
> > > > > >Dildo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, natch!
> > > > >
> > > > > > But seriously, why did Auden cut his
> earlier
> > > > poems like that, to what is
> > > > > > very often their detriment? Can he really
> have
> > > > felt so insecure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > joanna
> > > > >
> > > > > The reasons he gives (I couch it in those
> words)
> > > > were that he had become
> > > > > unhappy with the moral implications of some
> of the
> > > > statements in "Spain" and
> > > > > "September 1939" -- the "necessary murder",
> for
> > > > instance. But the result is
> > > > > to abolish the problems that the poems
> > > > uncomfortably raise -- as with the
> > > > > excision of the Kipling/Claudel lines in the
> Yeats
> > > > Elegy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it's *directly political,
> except
> > > > perhaps with regard to
> > > > > "Spain", though it's certainly bound up with
> his
> > > > shift of attitude in this
> > > > > area that Roger pointed to in an earlier
> post.
> > > > Maybe it was just that he
> > > > > became increasingly gaga the longer he was
> in
> > > > America, mushing his brain
> > > > > with uppers and downers, or through the
> > > > involvement with Chester Kalmann.
> > > > >
> > > > > Auden repudiating his younger self?
> > > > >
> > > > > I couldn't work out just when the Claudel
> bit was
> > > > cut, whether before or
> > > > > after the first book publication in 1940.
> It'll
> > > > be in Mendelsohn's
> > > > > biography or notes somewhere, no doubt, but
> he
> > > > tends to scatter information
> > > > > across at least three books, in order to
> make
> > > > people or libraries have to
> > > > > buy them all.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Dildo is a different issue, linking to
> the
> > > > (re)titling of "Easily, my
> > > > > dear, easily you move your head". The
> "Platonic
> > > > Blow" still doesn't appear
> > > > > in any of the various official volumes,
> though I
> > > > think Mendelson does
> > > > > gingerly mention it in the biography. Be
> > > > interesting to see if it's allowed
> > > > > into the on-going Complete Works. If they
> ever
> > > > reach the poems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.badstep.net/
> > > > "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious."
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> >
> > --
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> > "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious."
> >
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