Hi Richard,
I must admit I googled you too. I guess that's what people do when
their curious about who's speaking :-)
I just wanted to say one thing about finances. I have no relation to
NTU, however I have worked in an art academy for several years.
Sometimes, I would take on extra "freelance" work outside of my
contractual hours, and to my shock, it took almost two years for that
work to be paid. For some unknown reason, freelancers and guests
seem to throw a spanner in the financial works. And when as a
staff member you invite guests, the double wammy comes when you are
representing a system over which you have little control. I suspect
many of us have unfortunately been there, running to the financial
office and begging that someone be rightfully paid. :-(
So from broken links to unpaid bills, it just goes to show you how
much we depend on institutional support. While structural support
alone can't pave the way to good ideas, the lack there of can
certainly stop them from flourishing. I don't know if anyone has
been following the discussion last month's IDC list, but people had
some pretty interesting things to say about the pros and cons of
working within educational institutions.
all the best,
Renee Turner
www.geuzen.org
On 9 Feb 2007, at 11:22, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Hi Maria,
>
> I think that is great, and I applaud you for talking honestly and
> openly and that is what I was hoping to see from everyone, and now
> it seems it is happening. And as for NTU I had no problems with the
> place, but I spent my whole time in the BL researching, never went
> up there. And my supervisor by the way couldn't have been more
> helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Maria Chatzichristodoulou [aka maria x]" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [WDL] Without a trAce
>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:08:29 +0000
>>
>> Hi Richard
>>
>> it could be that Sue emailed you privately because some people on
>> this list -although I can only talk about myself- are not
>> particularly interested in this discussion.
>> I think trAce was an excellent project and still is a great
>> resource. I have certainly used it in the past and still refer to
>> it today. I think people involved in such projects build their
>> careers along with the projects rather than 'on the back' of them.
>> So I don't understand what you mean by that either. And I'm not
>> that interested to find out...
>> Also to mention that, other than the trAce group, I know of
>> several people who have been let down by NTU one way or another.
>> In fact, NTU is the one University I have heard so many complaints
>> about during my 5-year stay in this country. So I can understand
>> the frustration.
>>
>> best
>> maria x
>>
>>
>> Richard Guthrie wrote:
>>> Sue Thomas decided to email me on this subject privately, why, I
>>> can only imagine and you can guess. Here is the latest of three
>>> message chain exchange which goes back below to the first.
>>> Particularly of note is the mail about 'looking me up'..You can
>>> all look me up on www.luminog.wordpress.com
>>>
>>> Here's her latest:
>>>
>>> I'm curious to know why you have the idea that I and others built
>>> our careers on the back of trAce and then moved on? That is such
>>> a very wrong idea I cannot begin to deconstruct it. Why on earth
>>> do you think that?
>>>
>>> sue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Guthrie"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:17 AM
>>> Subject: RE: trAce
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sue,
>>>
>>> No, I did Power and Publishing, looking at how organised
>>> publishing dealt
>>> with the e-book in its first wave. My supervisor has moved on
>>> from NTU
>>> having found a better position. I'm someone [who] worked in film
>>> and television
>>> in five cities around the world before going back to study. Now I
>>> write.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> www.luminog.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Guthrie
>>> 32 Southwold Road, Flat C
>>> London E5 9PT
>>> tel: 0208 442 4832
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Sue Thomas" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Reply-To: "Sue Thomas" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: trAce
>>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:45:56 -0000
>>>
>>> Hi Richard
>>> I'm away at the moment so using another email address. I hadn't
>>> heard of
>>> you before so looked you up and discovered you have just
>>> completed a PhD
>>> in electronic publishing at NTU. I presume therefore that you
>>> probably
>>> have done some research into trAce yourself and would be
>>> interested to
>>> hear your views on the situation. Who was your supervisor, as a
>>> matter of
>>> interest?
>>> thanks for posting to the list
>>> best
>>> Sue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Sue Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [WDL] Without a trAce
>>>> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:29:14 -0000
>>>>
>>>> Hello Richard
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for raising this. I'm the founder and past Artistic
>>>> Director of trAce, so I guess you could say I have a symbiotic
>>>> relationship with it. However, I decided to take a back seat in
>>>> this discussion until it gets going because I feel it's
>>>> important to hear other peoples' voices before I raise my own.
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say, there is a great deal to discuss, but for the
>>>> moment the most pressing issue is to get the archive working
>>>> properly again. I believe the best way to do this is to collect
>>>> proof that it is important to people.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be grateful if people responding to this issue could post
>>>> their comments on the blog at http://www.hum.dmu.ac.uk/blogs/wdl/
>>>> 2007/02/without_a_trace.html so that we can gather all the
>>>> evidence in one place.
>>>>
>>>> many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Sue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sue Thomas
>>>> Professor of New Media
>>>> School of Media and Cultural Production
>>>> Faculty of Humanities
>>>> De Montfort University
>>>> The Gateway
>>>> Leicester
>>>> LE1 9BH
>>>> United Kingdom
>>>> +44 (0)116 207 8266
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> http://www.hum.dmu.ac.uk/~sthomas/
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: [log in to unmask] on behalf of
>>>> Richard Guthrie
>>>> Sent: Fri 09/02/2007 8:17 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [WDL] Without a trAce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Following this discussion on TrAce with interest. Who is at
>>>> fault in all
>>>> this? Perhaps those involved who have moved on from NTU, having
>>>> built their
>>>> careers on the back of TrAce, and now appear very silent, can
>>>> come forward
>>>> to explain what they know.
>>>>
>>>> Dr Richard Guthrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: [log in to unmask]
>>>> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> >Subject: Re: [WDL] Without a trAce
>>>> >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:42:04 -0800
>>>> >
>>>> >They still owe me $200 for the essay I wrote last year, "The
>>>> Role of Sound
>>>> >in Electronic Literature." I gave up after nearly 1 year of
>>>> waiting.
>>>> >
>>>> >Best,
>>>> >Dene Grigar, PhD
>>>> >Associate Professor and Program Director
>>>> >Digital Technology and Culture
>>>> >Washington State University Vancouver
>>>> >14204 NE Salmon Creek Ave.
>>>> >Vancouver, WA 98686
>>>> >[log in to unmask]
>>>> >Office Voice: 360-546-9487
>>>> >MMC 102G
>>>> >Web: www.nouspace.net/dene
>>>> >
>>>> >On Feb 8, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>I was owed some expenses from Trace days. It was just timing
>>>> and not the
>>>> >>Trace staff's fault that made it so... There had never been
>>>> any problems
>>>> >>in that regard which I know of. My claim arrived after the
>>>> Trace staff had
>>>> >>left.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>A year after my claim, I was told that NTU couldnt find the
>>>> papers and so
>>>> >>had no idea when they would be able to deal with it. And that
>>>> was all they
>>>> >>said.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>In reply I mentioned the question of public funds and
>>>> accountability. A
>>>> >>cheque for the amount arrived within the week
>>>> >>
>>>> >>*
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I wonder how much NTU ever appreciated the value of Trace,
>>>> which is much
>>>> >>missed. Not understanding the value of something is not
>>>> culpable. Acting
>>>> >>on incomprehension as a reliable indicator of value is
>>>> culpable; and that
>>>> >>is before we consider the waste of funding
>>>> >>
>>>> >>L
>>>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>From: Jess
>>>> >>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:25 PM
>>>> >>>Subject: [WDL] Without a trAce
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>On behalf of Randy Adams:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Without a trAce
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>><TRACEA4E.bmp> It has come to my attention that the URL
>>>> redirect for the
>>>> >>>trAce Online Writing Centre's Archive is no longer
>>>> functional. What this
>>>> >>>means is that anyone who has the trace.ntu.ac.uk URL listed
>>>> on his or her
>>>> >>>site, course, review, bookmarks, or blog should change it to
>>>> >>>tracearchive.ntu.ac.uk - whatever the exact URL is, simply
>>>> replace
>>>> >>>'trace' with 'tracearchive', and the link will work.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>E.g. http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/article_list.cfm becomes
>>>> >>>http://tracearchive.ntu.ac.uk/article_list.cfm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>But this solution will not solve the problem with broken
>>>> linkages within
>>>> >>>the Archive itself, caused by someone at Nottingham Trent
>>>> University when
>>>> >>>they decided to turn off the redirect from the old URL. And,
>>>> for whatever
>>>> >>>reason, it was a conscious decision to turn it off. Although
>>>> you can
>>>> >>>search the Archive and find individual works or articles and
>>>> projects,
>>>> >>>any of the associated links that point to the old URL will
>>>> not work.
>>>> >>>There are hundreds of such links, making the Archive
>>>> virtually useless to
>>>> >>>researchers, teachers, writers, or artists who want to browse
>>>> the work.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>There are several issues here. First and foremost is that
>>>> access to
>>>> >>>trAce's role in the history of new media writing is now
>>>> compromised. It
>>>> >>>is my opinion that NTU simply doesn't understand the value of
>>>> the
>>>> >>>Archive. Nottingham Trent University received substantial
>>>> public monies
>>>> >>>to create and maintain the online Archive, which they are
>>>> contracted to
>>>> >>>do. In addition extra public funds for a dedicated server
>>>> were provided
>>>> >>>because NTU had initially promised to lodge the Archive on
>>>> its own
>>>> >>>servers and then had withdrawn from that commitment, yet it
>>>> is uncertain
>>>> >>>whether the Archive is now actually housed on this server.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>The trAce redirect was turned off without warning or
>>>> consultation.
>>>> >>>Everyone who works with online new media knows how important
>>>> it is to
>>>> >>>maintain such linkages. Anyone who teaches digital writing or
>>>> new media
>>>> >>>knows how frustrating it is to find a broken link to an
>>>> important work,
>>>> >>>or how embarrassing it to be presenting at a conference to
>>>> find that a
>>>> >>>link has suddenly become 404. It can also be embarrassing to
>>>> find that
>>>> >>>links on your professional or academic resume no longer work.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I acted as Associate Editor for trAce for several years. I
>>>> also helped
>>>> >>>develop the Archive. During trAce's final year, I asked
>>>> repeatedly about
>>>> >>>how the redirect was going to work and was reassured
>>>> everything would be
>>>> >>>fine. The redirect worked for 6 months and was then
>>>> purposefully turned
>>>> >>>off.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>(For an explanation of why redirects are so simple yet so
>>>> important see
>>>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I propose that Nottingham Trent University should honour its
>>>> commitment
>>>> >>>and switch the redirect back on.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I would like to hear from anyone who is concerned about this
>>>> issue.
>>>> >>>Please post your comments and questions here. Or, if you
>>>> prefer, reply to
>>>> >>>me privately at [log in to unmask]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Please circulate this information as widely as possible.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Thank you.
>>>> >>>Randy Adams
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>(The image is an early trAce logo from 1997 designed by Simon
>>>> Mills)
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>> --
>> Maria Chatzichristodoulou [aka maria x] PhD Art and Computational
>> Technologies Goldsmiths Digital Studios www.cybertheater.org
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