medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Scott Carson wrote:
> Quoting John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> Well, the context in which I wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Yes, consecration of a bishop is a sacrament.
>>
>> was:
>>
>>> 2) Yes, it is "holy orders"
>>
>> If I am being misleading, I am in good company,
>
> Nonsense. You're just begging the question by asserting, without
> argument, that "consecration of a bishop" is (a) the same thing as "a
> sacrament" because (b) "it is 'holy orders'".
>
> That's the very point at issue among theologians: can Holy Orders be
> reduced to the episcopacy.
I am not aware of any such controversy.
> You're playing on an ambiguity in the very
> "to be", one that can easily be avoided if you write that Holy Orders
> is the name of the Sacrament, and the name designates or refers to,
> among other things, the episcopacy.
>
> You chose not to avoid that ambiguity, or else you weren't even aware
> of it.
I am quite happy to admit that I don't know what the hell you are talking
about.
John Briggs
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