Please include University of Bristol in any joint letter to the Guardian as
we have had similar concerns this year.
Best wishes
Lucy
--On 05 February 2007 09:54 +0000 Judy Evans <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Dear Brian,
>
> That's fine by me. Will you coordinate?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Judy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham
> Sent: 02 February 2007 14:48
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
> Dear Judy,
>
> I think you have stated the case admirably; and that your email should
> form the basis of any joint approach.
>
> It's only dealing with the Guardian that makes me grumpy - honest!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Brian
>
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:15:24 -0000 Judy Evans <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Brian,
>>
>> The University of Brighton would be prepared to go along with this
>> approach. I have already sent an email to Donald, which I didn't
>> circulate around ADMIN-PLANNING for fear of confirming the 'grumpy old
>
>> woman' stereotype (!), but for what it's worth, here is what I said:
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dear Donald,
>>
>> Thank you for your email.
>>
>> I'm afraid that you and your colleagues clearly do not understand how
>> the HE sector work, and how data returns to HESA are constructed.
>>
>> Not only is it perfectly possible to have JACS codes assigned to
>> multiple academic cost centres, but there is no reason why HEIs should
>
>> not avail themselves of the full range of JACS codes in existence when
>
>> coding their provision for inclusion in the various HESA Returns. Why
>> you should decide to exclude some of these legitimate codes is
>> unfathomable.
>>
>> For the University of Brighton, the exclusion by the Guardian of JACS
>> code B3 results in the omission of 130 FTEs from your analysis.
>>
>> For the University of Brighton, the exclusion by the Guardian of JACS
>> code V9 results in the omission of 126 FTEs from your analysis.
>>
>> Other, lesser, exclusions will occur, based on your practice.
>>
>> Please clarify, as a matter or urgency, the rationale for this
> approach.
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Needless to say, I do NOT expect a speedy response, and am now
>> re-editing their spreadsheet with yet further comments of my own!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Judy
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> Judy Evans
>> Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems)
>> University of Brighton Cockcroft Building Lewes Road Brighton
>> BN2 4GJ
>>
>> tel: 01273 642812
>> fax: 01273 642922
>>
>> email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham
>> Sent: 02 February 2007 12:29
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Is this the Guardian's idea of consultation?
>>
>> Mind you, my comments haven't even been dignified with a response.
>>
>> Is it time to resurrect the Heinz Group?
>>
>> How about a round robin to Donald along the lines of:
>>
>> "We the undersigned find the Guardian's use of JACs codes to assign
>> HESA cost centres to be seriously flawed, in that it fails to give a
>> true picture of academic activity in many areas. We fail to
>> understand why the Guardian cannot accept the allocation of Guardian
>> subject groups to HESA cost centres by institutions. This would
>> automatically overcome the problems of lining up student numbers with
>> staff numbers and expenditure etc. Does consultation mean
>> consultation - or are you prepared to continue with a method that many
> find unnacceptable?"
>>
>> No apologies for clogging up the group. Who's prepared to go along
>> with this?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:10:19 -0000 Ali Hartrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Colleagues,
>> >
>> > Like Judy, I got a response from the Guardian this morning. I
>> > started
>>
>> > posting my reactions to the list, but realised that I sounded like
>> > someone from Grumpy Old Women, so went off to calm down first.
>> >
>> > I have asked Donald MacLeod how I am supposed to assign provision to
>
>> > the Guardian subjects when they will not recognise the perfectly
>> > legitimate JACS codes I am using - at the moment all of our
>> > Development Studies provision will disappear!
>> >
>> > It seems ridiculous to me that the sector is being forced to fall
>> > into
>>
>> > line with the Guardian's faulty classification, rather than the
>> > Guardian trying to produce a Universtity Guide which truely reflects
>> UK HE.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Ali Hartrey
>> > Assistant Registrar
>> > Head of Registry Systems
>> > School of Oriental & African Studies
>> >
>> > tel: 020 7074 5085
>> > email: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Judy Evans
>> > Sent: 02 February 2007 10:43
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Colleagues,
>> >
>> > The Guardian have finally responded (but only in part) to my earlier
>
>> > queries. Note their response below.
>> >
>> > Should we, as a sector, be concerned that the Guardian are unable
> to:
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > grasp the way in which institutions work, and the relationship
>> (or
>> > not) between JACS codes and academic cost centres;
>> > *
>> >
>> > include all JACS codes in their analysis, and therefore include
>> all
>> > students in their analysis
>> >
>> > Best wishes and in despair,
>> >
>> > Judy
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --
>> > --
>> > Judy Evans
>> > Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems)
>> > University of Brighton Cockcroft Building Lewes Road Brighton
>> > BN2 4GJ
>> >
>> > tel: 01273 642812
>> > fax: 01273 642922
>> >
>> > email: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > Sent: 01 February 2007 17:45
>> > To: Evans Judy
>> > Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Judy Evans
>> >
>> >
>> > Let me apologise for any lack of clarity in our request for
>> > information for the Guardian university guide tables and ask you to
>> > answer the points below
>> > - I hope this is the last time we will have to bother you.
>> >
>> > As in previous years please use only one Cost Centre per Guardian
>> subject.
>> > We only use principal JACS, not sub-JACS. JACS which we are not
>> > using (and do not appear on the spreadsheet) are listed below. These
>> students will not
>> > be counted in the tables.
>> >
>> > I would be grateful if you could return this to me by Tuesday
>> > (February 6) so we can get the ball rolling with HESA. Thank you for
>
>> > your cooperation
>> >
>> > =====================
>> > Donald MacLeod
>> > editor EducationGuardian.co.uk
>> > and SocietyGuardian.co.uk
>> > 020 7239 9913
>> > ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 01/02/07 17:43
>> > -----
>> >
>> > "Lorna Lines" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >
>> > 01/02/07 14:01
>> >
>> >
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > cc: "Julie Whittaker" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Review of Cost Centre Submission: University of Brighton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > While conducting the necessary quality checks on the cost centre
>> > consultation file for University of Brighton the following
>> > observations have been made:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1 Cost Centre 41 is not used by the Guardian Tables. Please
>> review/adjust.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2 Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian
>> > Subjects. We have created an updated file (attached) for Brighton
>> > using only the principal JACS (column D), presented alongside the
>> > originally submitted JACS (column C) for you to review/adjust as
>> appropriate.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3 Multiple cost centres assigned to Guardian Subjects. Note that a
>> > single cost centre should be assigned to a single Guardian Subject.
>> > Please review/adjust.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 4 JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3,
>> > F0, F9, H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0.
>> > Please
>>
>> > use only those available from the drop down lists.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > General Statements/Guidance (applicable to all HEIs):
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > a Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian
>> Subjects.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > b Only one cost centre should be assigned to a Guardian Subject
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > c JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3,
>> > F0, F9, H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > d A valid JACS code can only appear in one Guardian Subject.
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > Sent: Fri 19/01/2007 16:23
>> > To: Rosa Scoble; Lorna Lines
>> > Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > =====================
>> > Donald MacLeod
>> > editor EducationGuardian.co.uk
>> > and SocietyGuardian.co.uk
>> > 020 7239 9913
>> > ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 19/01/07 16:23
>> > -----
>> >
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > 19/01/07 15:08
>> >
>> >
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>,
>> <[log in to unmask]>,
>> > <[log in to unmask]>,
>> > <[log in to unmask]>,
>> > <[log in to unmask]>
>> > cc:
>> > Subject: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Please find attached the University of Brighton's response to your
>> > consultation. As the original email address quoted in the Guardian
>> > failed, apologies for the saturation posting which is purely to
>> > ensure
>> delivery.
>> >
>> > <<Guideconsultation 2007 University of Brighton Response.xls>> Best
>> > wishes,
>> >
>> > Judy
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --
>> > --
>> > Judy Evans
>> > Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems)
>> > University of Brighton Cockcroft Building Lewes Road Brighton
>> > BN2 4GJ
>> >
>> > tel: 01273 642812
>> > fax: 01273 642922
>> >
>> > email: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-
>> Brian Oldham
>> Management Data Analyst
>> Finance Department
>> King's College London
>> Room 7.22
>> James Clerk Maxwell Building
>> 57 Waterloo Road
>> London SE1 8WA
>> Tel: 020 7848 3850
>> Fax: 020 7848 3356
>
> -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-
> Brian Oldham
> Management Data Analyst
> Finance Department
> King's College London
> Room 7.22
> James Clerk Maxwell Building
> 57 Waterloo Road
> London SE1 8WA
> Tel: 020 7848 3850
> Fax: 020 7848 3356
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