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From:	Poulson, Chris
Sent:	Wed 7/02/2007 7:22 PM
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Subject:	RE: FW: Art Leadership and Nancy Adler ---- Part 2!!!!

Hi david

My student was Chinese (nationality not race) and I think if one explores the nature of learning in "Confucian cultures" you will find this is true. I have taught in China and Vietnam (as well as teaching students from those cultures in the "W"est. It's the way they were taught and believe. Our job is not to be ethnocentric but to help them to understand the differences and what is acceptable and what is not in OUR culture in which they are seeking "qualification." I often wonder if I could do the reverse. I fear not---it would take a whole case of Xanax just to get started!

Chris


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From:	Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations Research Network on behalf of David Weir
Sent:	Wed 7/02/2007 7:08 PM
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Subject:	Re: FW: Art Leadership and Nancy Adler ---- Part 2!!!!

-Hi again;
 Chris's point about the students who want/need to be told what to think struck home in relation to an incident  that occurred in my Research Methodology class yesterday 
A really nice, bright, motivated young Vietnamese Masters student asked me in different ways FOUR Times "What should be in my Dissertation? What will I get good marks for?"
 When I finally answered in exasperation. " You have seen the Template. Its like a box that you put your treasures in. Now you have to be able to convince the reader that these are your treasures, that you found them, that you know these things to be interesting, significant, true and valuable and Research Methodology courses are a way of giving you some warrant for saying those things that is acceptable in our disciplines. But the truth is always acceptable"
He did understand, I think. But after the class one of the French students came up in some anxiety and asked "In the Dissertation Guidelines, it recommends 7/8 chapters in a typical dissertation.Does your answer mean that we have to put in an additional chapter for THE TRUTH?"
Heh, Heh,
Time to feed the chickens
David

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Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:42:45 -0800
From: "Poulson, Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: FW: Art Leadership and Nancy Adler ---- Part 2!!!!

> Sorry all! I didn't change the subject line so you would know this was a new message. Apologies for clogging mail boxes!
> C
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Poulson, Chris
> Sent:	Wed 7/02/2007 9:37 AM
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> Subject:	RE: Art Leadership and Nancy Adler
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> 
> One more thought after a few more slugs of coffee and a few more pages of Nancy's article ;
> 
> Nancy quotes Rob Austin: "Managers and management students don't understand how to create on cue, how to innovate relaibly on a deadline....." I had a student about my own age, here in Tasmania a few years back, say to me "You actually want us to wriote what we think??? We're not allowed to do that!!!" We have generations of students, faculty, and managers who have been punished for independent, creative thinking, and who cringe at the thought of a "peer critique" (certainly my own experience as student, manager, and faculty) -- Perhaps a year or two in the art school should be required for everyone!
> 
> When I told my father (a reknowned geneticist and Yale professor) that I wanted to go to photography school, he said, very gently, "You are going to college son." When my own son said he wanted to get a fine arts degree in ceramics I said "Go for it!" It is amazing how easily he takes feedback and critique and how often he incorporates those comments into his own work. How different from the student just recently, who after getting a list of questions from which the final exam would be taken, asked for a list of "standard answers!"
> 
> Now to finish my coffee!
> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations Research Network on behalf of Poulson, Chris
> Sent:	Wed 7/02/2007 9:11 AM
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> Subject:	Re: Art Leadership and Nancy Adler
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> Hi All,
> 
> I've been lurking about this thread for a bit and have been reading Nancy Adler's lovely piece in AMLE. What strikes me is the irony that THE Academy published this after killing AcademyArts (the successor to the Art & Poetry section which Nancy cites) as it produced no revenue but incurred costs. The same fate befell The Fringe Café which too was on its way to becoming an Academy institution and partner to AcademyArts. Our last year in the Academy was in Honolulu in 2005.
> 
> Perhaps the time has come for the Art and Business Academy as Pierre has suggested. I'd sure come out of retirement to work to make that happen!
> 
> Chris Poulson
> (Chair of Academy Arts for 3 of its 6 years)
> University of Tasmania
> [log in to unmask] (Ignore the csupomona address...I have yet to get it changed on AACORN!)
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