Roger, I was, of course, being ironic - if not absolutely cutting - about
the Southern Agragarian's kind disposition towards 'their' African-American
help.
These SA's to my memory were much of what you say.
I like some of the ironic, historic juxtapositions - Hart Crane camping out
in Allen Tate's front yard (his mentor) and explanation for the tight
formalism of much of his work (much of it always wanting to bust out at its
seams which accounts for its power).
But who knows, unless Joe C tells us, why he put up this perfect, albeit
boring, period piece by Ransome. It might be formally correct, but why Joe?
- do you really find something there? Perhaps you were a serious student of
those boys and got something there from which I ever so happily fled a
zillion year ago?
To be honest, Joe, I don't want to go there.
Stephen V
http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> The Southern Agrarians were, as a bunch, hideous Southron
> Sentimentalists. Warren, Tate and Ransom eventually distanced
> themselves from the movement; the worst supported Fascism. Let's call
> a spade a spade here: most of these guys were racists, and probably
> regretted the end of slavery. But, hey, they opposed modernism, so
> that's OK then.
>
> One can treat servants, slaves etc well. Doesn't mean they're not
> servants or slaves, though, treated with all the sickening
> patronisation - or should that be "chivalry" - of the antebellum. I'm
> sure they all thought they were doing well by their protegees, and the
> latter in return thought well of their masters. It still doesn't mean
> that I can't abhor the system. Doesn't mean that I can't object, or
> feel slightly nauseous when I find remnants of this fine, upstanding
> system shoved under my nose, particularly when it wasn't even that
> good a piece of poetry in the first place.
>
> A couple of years ago, I saw Steve Earle (http://steveearle.net/bio/)
> play at Glastonbury. Some dick-heads, fuck-wits and morons had erected
> a CSA flag at the back of the tent and were shouting "ye-ah" or
> whatever it is they heard from the films. Steve went ape-shit at them
> for a good 2 minutes.
>
> Roger
>
> On 1/20/07, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Nice try, Stephen but The Gentleman is too much of a snobby SOB to
>>> ev-ah touch a keyboard. Instead, you'd probably find his black
>>> man-servant doing it for him.
>> Probably true, Roger. I was always equated the Agragarians (Tate, Ransome,
>> etc.) as naturally being involved in Southern Agriculture, its heritage and
>> 'natural' disposition to hire help with 'color'. All treated -those
>> in-house, at least - with much kindness, etc.
>>
>> Stephen V
>> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>>
>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> On 1/19/07, Jon Corelis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:41:04 -0800, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be curious to re-contextualize the Ransome piece into the world of
>>>>> WWW.Match.com
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you'll find The Gentleman on the net.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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