I've always associated the Southern Agrarians with the New Formalists: both
groups reify form & write from an ideologically privileged position -- not
only write from it, but write to defend it. The difference is that the
Agrarians, especially Ransom, wrote several nearly perfect poems. Can't say
the same for the New Formalists.
jd
On 1/21/07, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> The Southern Agrarians were, as a bunch, hideous Southron
> Sentimentalists. Warren, Tate and Ransom eventually distanced
> themselves from the movement; the worst supported Fascism. Let's call
> a spade a spade here: most of these guys were racists, and probably
> regretted the end of slavery. But, hey, they opposed modernism, so
> that's OK then.
>
> One can treat servants, slaves etc well. Doesn't mean they're not
> servants or slaves, though, treated with all the sickening
> patronisation - or should that be "chivalry" - of the antebellum. I'm
> sure they all thought they were doing well by their protegees, and the
> latter in return thought well of their masters. It still doesn't mean
> that I can't abhor the system. Doesn't mean that I can't object, or
> feel slightly nauseous when I find remnants of this fine, upstanding
> system shoved under my nose, particularly when it wasn't even that
> good a piece of poetry in the first place.
>
> A couple of years ago, I saw Steve Earle (http://steveearle.net/bio/)
> play at Glastonbury. Some dick-heads, fuck-wits and morons had erected
> a CSA flag at the back of the tent and were shouting "ye-ah" or
> whatever it is they heard from the films. Steve went ape-shit at them
> for a good 2 minutes.
>
> Roger
>
> On 1/20/07, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Nice try, Stephen but The Gentleman is too much of a snobby SOB to
> > > ev-ah touch a keyboard. Instead, you'd probably find his black
> > > man-servant doing it for him.
> > Probably true, Roger. I was always equated the Agragarians (Tate,
> Ransome,
> > etc.) as naturally being involved in Southern Agriculture, its heritage
> and
> > 'natural' disposition to hire help with 'color'. All treated -those
> > in-house, at least - with much kindness, etc.
> >
> > Stephen V
> > http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> >
> >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > On 1/19/07, Jon Corelis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:41:04 -0800, Stephen Vincent <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Be curious to re-contextualize the Ransome piece into the world of
> > >>> WWW.Match.com
> > >>
> > >> I don't think you'll find The Gentleman on the net.
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
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Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
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