I've sort of given up beating this dead horse. This month there was a 
posting to the ISEE list serve about pets (companion animals whatever that 
means) being given legal 'rights' is some state. I just shake my head 
anymore. No wonder we have not been able to convince George the W that 
global warming is a problem when we, we being 'environmentalists,' get tied 
up in trivia such as this.

I've spent the past couple of years in Central America and I can assure you 
that 'rights' for animals is an irrational idea to these people. Here humans 
hardly have 'rights,' legal or otherwise. They see Americans and Europeans 
giving better medical care to their pets than most here can afford for their 
children. It is an amazing thing.

Steven

No matter who you vote for,
the government always wins.
	Old Anarchist Saying





>From: "L.M. Dangutis" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "Discussion forum for environmental ethics." 
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: [ISEE-L] ALF victory
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:48:58 -0800
>
>I caught that one to, why was that again? I never understood the whole 
>animal rights
>being twined into that. Its like putting America in eastern acient 
>cultures.
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: STEVEN BISSELL <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:42:34 AM
>Subject: Re: FW: [ISEE-L] ALF victory
>
>
>I should have mentioned that I took this off the ISEE list serve where it
>appeared without comment. I also saw it on the Environmental News Network
>without comment. It worries me that animal rights issues are now considered
>'environmental' without any real thought. I guess that means the AR people
>won what use to be a debate. I suppose I wasn't watching.
>Steven
>
>"So if time was created during the Big Bang,
>then time did not exist before the Big Bang,
>and it is therefore impossible to use the phrase
>'before the Big Bang'
>in any meaningful way."
>                                   Simon Singh, 2004
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> >From: Geoffrey Frasz <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: "Discussion forum for environmental ethics."
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: [ISEE-L] ALF victory
> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:06:43 -0700
> >
> >I should have put scare quotes around the word victory to convey my 
>feeling
> >too about it.
> >geoffrey
> >
> >STEVEN BISSELL wrote:
> >
> >>I remain skeptical that this is in any sense a victory for
> >>environmentalists. I'm pretty sure that this anti-science/animal rights
> >>marriage is more distructive than beneficial.
> >>Steven
> >>
> >>>
> >>>      UCLA Professor Stops Monkey Research in Response to Pressure From
> >>>      Animal-Rights Activists
> >>>
> >>>By SAMANTHA HENIG <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >>>
> >>>Responding to pressure from animal-rights activists, Dario Ringach, an
> >>>associate professor of neurobiology at the University of California at
> >>>Los Angeles, has abandoned his research on monkeys. In an e-mail 
>message
> >>>with the subject line "You win," Mr. Ringach wrote to a news office for
> >>>animal-rights groups that he would no longer conduct animal research, 
>and
> >>>asked that the groups leave him and his family alone.
> >>>
> >>>Mr. Ringach, who studies the visual cortexes of macaques, has been
> >>>harassed for the past few years by a network of animal-rights activists
> >>>led by the Animal Liberation Front, according to Judith A. Lin, senior
> >>>media-relations representative for UCLA. Protesters have circulated Mr.
> >>>Ringach's home address and phone number, held demonstrations at his 
>home,
> >>>and circulated leaflets to his neighbors, according to a written
> >>>statement
> >>><http://www.animalliberationpressoffice.org/press_releases/pr_06_08_06_ringach_quits.htm>
> >>>from the North American Animal Liberation Press Office, which 
>represents
> >>>many animal-rights groups.
> >>>
> >>>The Animal Liberation Front, which has been labeled by the Federal 
>Bureau
> >>>of Investigation as one of the most serious domestic-terrorism threats 
>in
> >>>the country, has singled out other researchers as well. Last month it
> >>>took credit for attempting to bomb the house of one of Mr. Ringach's
> >>>colleagues (The Chronicle,
> >>><http://chronicle.com/news/article/699/animal-rights-group-says-it-tried-to-bomb-ucla-researcher>
> >>>July 14).
> >>>
> >>>"It is both sad and troubling that the will of a few misinformed and
> >>>misguided extremists are able to halt vital research that has the
> >>>potential to benefit all of humanity," Frankie L. Trull (The Chronicle,
> >>><http://chronicle.com/weekly/v48/i31/31a02401.htm> April 12, 2002),
> >>>president of the Foundation for Biomedical Research, said in a written
> >>>statement in response to Mr. Ringach's decision.
> >>>
> >>>In her statement,
> >>><http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=70402> Ms. Trull 
>wrote
> >>>that "eco and animal terrorists have caused over $100-million in damage
> >>>and destruction." She expressed concern that their campaigns may drive
> >>>research organizations out of the country, and urged Congress to 
>approve
> >>>pending legislation that would give law-enforcement authorities more
> >>>power to arrest and prosecute extremists (The Chronicle,
> >>><http://chronicle.com/daily/2006/05/2006052403n.htm> May 24).
> >>>
> >>>In his announcement that he was terminating his animal research, Mr.
> >>>Ringach asked to have his name removed from the Web sites and materials
> >>>of animal-rights activists. As of Wednesday afternoon, at least one Web
> >>>site run by the Primate Freedom Project, one of the groups that has
> >>>protested Mr. Ringach's research, still had his name, home address, and
> >>>phone number on its home page, and a description of his research in its
> >>>list <http://uclaprimatefreedom.com/id1.html>of "Vivisector Profiles."
> >>>
> >>>Jean Barnes, director of the Primate Freedom Project, said in a e-mail
> >>>message that she had told Mr. Ringach that his name would remain on the
> >>>site until he provided the group with a videotape declaring that he 
>would
> >>>no longer use any animal in any experiment and apologizing for the
> >>>nonhuman pain and suffering he has caused.
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