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Re: School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to r aise blood pressure

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Chris Brogan <[log in to unmask]>

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Chris Brogan <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:55:00 -0000

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What if the police had been informed by a number of reliable witnesses
that one of the girls that had been seen on a regular basis mugging
little old ladies, had been wearing the school uniform of ??? school and
one of her mates had shouted to her..come on susan lets get out of here?
Oh by the way the last little old lady, the fifth to be mugged, is on a
life support machine. What then? Just a thought. Probably a bit far
fetched.

Chris Brogan
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blewitt, David
Sent: 19 January 2007 12:46
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to r aise blood
pressure

Section 29 is to help the police within the constraints of the law,
which this request wasn't.  I wouldn't like a college to give out the
personal details of my son/daugter to the police without consent, just
because he had a particular first name.

But to the point.

Re fingerprinting, the DPA requires us not to collect sufficient but not
excessive data.  Keeping a minmum of data is appropriate, and as you
suggest, the answer. Fingerprinting to me is excessive.

The government changes the rules as it sees fit - it could madate that
all school records be transferred to a central database in the future.
If I had a belief we have no fear of a Big Brother society creeping up
on us, I would see no problem.  I however side with the Information
Commisioner that we should be concerned about it creeping up on us.

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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Ian
Sent: 19 January 2007 11:48
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
r aise blood pressure


As I understand Section 29 is basiclly there to assist Police?

Is the issue here that Section 29 gets proportionally more powerful as
the dataset increases in size and scope?

Is keeping less data the answer? 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blewitt, David
Sent: 19 January 2007 11:40
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
r aise blood pressure


I recently had the police at our college wanting the personal details of
all girls in the college with a certain first name in the age range 14
to 18.  

They didn't get it from us, but looks like they did from the local high
school.  

Wouldn't be beyond the realms of possiblity they would have asked for
fingerprints if we had them, and lesser confident educational
establishments not aware of section 29 details passing them over.  No,
finger printing of school kids is over the top.  

You are right though, the National Identity Register should be the cause
for concern.

If you feel strongly about the register, add your name to the 10 Downing
street petition on the matter:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDreferendum/

- and circulate it to others.

David Blewitt

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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: 19 January 2007 08:29
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
r aise blood pressure


What I really don't believe is that schools will soon be passing
fingerprint records taken for library purposes to MI5, MI6 and DEFRA, en
masse. It's an absurd proposition. Apart from anything else, what would
these people want with schoolchildren's fingerprints? If the idea is
that they're building up profiles of UK citizens, I think the National
Identity Register should be the cause for concern, rather than schools
using your kid's prints to get Asterix books out.

Tim Turner
Data Protection / FOI Officer
Legal and Property Services
Wigan Council

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Ian
Sent: Thu 18 January 2007 15:33
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
r aise blood pressure

I don't think it is a question of belief - the schools are legally
obligated to declare their purpose.  Also the school network is as
secure as the school will have considered that it needs to be given the
increased value of the data with the addition of this technology.  In
theory.

Ian

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tinsley, Chris
Sent: 18 January 2007 14:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
r aise blood pressure

I never believe officals when they say say that these things will only
be used for one purpose, the fingerprint will soon end up in the hands
of the police, MI5, MI6, Home Office, Foreign Office and even DEFRA. And
how secure is your school network.

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