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Re: More Information Sharing

From:

Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:43:58 -0000

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POUNDER Chris on Mon, 15 Jan 2007 at 11:00 said:-

> The Government in its Vision Statement argued that sharing was in the
"public interest"
> (this implies statutory powers to legitimise the sharing). In addition,
the term "necessary
> in the public interest" is a term identified in the ID Card Act(S.42) and
this explicitly
> refers to the purpose of  "securing the efficient and effective provision
of public services"
> (S.1(4) of the ID Card Act).

and

Robert (Bob) Waixel on Mon, 15 Jan 2007 at 11:17 said:-


> There are clear Public Interests in keeping track of people
> (enforcing
> court / probation / asstd Judgements)
> and for people similarly wanting to evade same.
>
> This is where the real debate should go, I think.
>



As othershave intimated the DPA provides for processing of many types, hence
allowing most things any data processor may require for any purpose.

To track the debate onto any particular direction would provide local
interests resident in that chosen area an advantage in both material and
arguments which if applied generically could have problematic affects. If
one attempts to determine a root, generic and bland argument that would seem
to be:-

Is it in the interest of people that a government monitor its subjects that
closely it could become possible to require permission(or charge) for every
possible event in any individual life,

or

Is it only in the direct interests of those controlling departments
affected?

A question which more rightly seems to belong in a political debating arena
rather than one to do with the management of personal data, which ostensibly
affects privacy, unless the management of that personal data is intended to
be used to redefine the public/private divide or political system by
commonly imposing one particular spheres values onto every other element of
life. In which case the influence of expansionist departments will no doubt
grow more quickly.


Ian W


> -----Original Message-----
> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:00:23 -0000
> From:    POUNDER Chris <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Information Sharing and the ID Card database?
>
> The issue re Mr. Hutton's plans is whether the "sharing" is
> by consent of the data subject or via statutory power. If
> it's consent, there is no data protection or human rights issue.
>
> The Government in its Vision Statement argued that sharing
> was in the "public interest" (this implies statutory powers
> to legitimise the sharing). In addition, the term "necessary
> in the public interest" is a term identified in the ID Card
> Act(S.42) and this explicitly refers to the purpose of
> "securing the efficient and effective provision of public
> services" (S.1(4) of the ID Card Act).
>
> It seems to me that the ID Card database is likely to be the
> hub database for the sharing exchange - just a thought.
>
> C

> Date:    Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:17:43 +0000
> From:    "Robert (Bob) Waixel" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: More Information Sharing
>
> The debate is - or should be - MUCH wider than that of information
> sharing on ie after death.
>
> In particular - and local authority list members will confirm this -
> certain legislation restricts usage of particular data
> (especially Council tax records) which can make it difficult
> to follow
> individuals when they move from address to address.
>
> There are clear Public Interests in keeping track of people
> (enforcing
> court / probation / asstd Judgements)
> and for people similarly wanting to evade same.
>
> This is where the real debate should go, I think.
>
> How far should 'the state' know where we are and how to find
> us in the
> absence
> of the conscientious 99% (??) of people who duly (try and )
> notify all
> concerned.
>
> BoB Waixel.

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