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Re: School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to r aise blood pressure

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Andrew Cormack <[log in to unmask]>

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Andrew Cormack <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:03:31 +0000

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Griffiths, Ian wrote:
> As I understand Section 29 is basiclly there to assist Police?

No, section 29 is there to allow you to assist the Police, if you are 
persuaded that it's necessary and proportionate to do so. A section 
29(3) form *isn't* an order to disclose the information; it's a 
protection for you if you choose to disclose the information in breach 
of your normal DPA obligations.

A RIPA s22 notice *is* an order to disclose (only) traffic data from a 
communications network. If you get one of those then the law requires 
you to comply, if you get a DPA s29(3) notice then the law doesn't even 
require you to think about it.

Lots of confusion around this :-(

Andrew

> Is the issue here that Section 29 gets proportionally more powerful as
> the dataset increases in size and scope?
> 
> Is keeping less data the answer? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blewitt, David
> Sent: 19 January 2007 11:40
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
> r aise blood pressure
> 
> 
> I recently had the police at our college wanting the personal details of
> all girls in the college with a certain first name in the age range 14
> to 18.  
> 
> They didn't get it from us, but looks like they did from the local high
> school.  
> 
> Wouldn't be beyond the realms of possiblity they would have asked for
> fingerprints if we had them, and lesser confident educational
> establishments not aware of section 29 details passing them over.  No,
> finger printing of school kids is over the top.  
> 
> You are right though, the National Identity Register should be the cause
> for concern.
> 
> If you feel strongly about the register, add your name to the 10 Downing
> street petition on the matter:
> 
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDreferendum/
> 
> - and circulate it to others.
> 
> David Blewitt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
> Sent: 19 January 2007 08:29
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
> r aise blood pressure
> 
> 
> What I really don't believe is that schools will soon be passing
> fingerprint records taken for library purposes to MI5, MI6 and DEFRA, en
> masse. It's an absurd proposition. Apart from anything else, what would
> these people want with schoolchildren's fingerprints? If the idea is
> that they're building up profiles of UK citizens, I think the National
> Identity Register should be the cause for concern, rather than schools
> using your kid's prints to get Asterix books out.
> 
> Tim Turner
> Data Protection / FOI Officer
> Legal and Property Services
> Wigan Council
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Ian
> Sent: Thu 18 January 2007 15:33
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
> r aise blood pressure
> 
> I don't think it is a question of belief - the schools are legally
> obligated to declare their purpose.  Also the school network is as
> secure as the school will have considered that it needs to be given the
> increased value of the data with the addition of this technology.  In
> theory.
> 
> Ian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tinsley, Chris
> Sent: 18 January 2007 14:55
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] School fingerprinting: Warning: likely to
> r aise blood pressure
> 
> I never believe officals when they say say that these things will only
> be used for one purpose, the fingerprint will soon end up in the hands
> of the police, MI5, MI6, Home Office, Foreign Office and even DEFRA. And
> how secure is your school network.
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