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Re: Droped ancere New Bay

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Pawl <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 9 Dec 2006 00:00:00 GMT

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Wn i ddim byd am y llsg sy'n cael ei chyfieithu heblaw mai rhyw gyfeiriad at daith i Batagonia (Mimosa?) a glanio ym Mae Newydd sydd ynddi. Mae orgraff ansafonol y Saesneg yn awgrymu nad oedd yr awdur yn llawer o giamster ar sgwennu yn Saesneg ond ni chredaf fod hyn yn ddigon o reswm dros adlewyrchu hyn yn y cyfieithiad Cymraeg, ond barn bersonol ydy hynny! Mae'n wir fod nifer o hen ddyddiaduron y cyfnod o'r Wladfa hefyd yn frith o amrywiadau o ran orgraff yn Gymraeg, boed yn chwiw bersonol neu'n dangos dylanwad tafodieithol yr awdur. Os yw'r dyddlyfr i gyd yn ansafonol fel hyn, gellid dadlau o bosib fod cyfiawnhad dros greu rhywbeth tebyg yn Gymraeg. Ond ni fuaswn yn cymeradwyo hyn fy hun! 
 Mae'n dibynnu hefyd at ba bwrpas y 
 cyfieithir y ddogfen. 
Paul. 
Paul W. Birt, PhD 
Chaire d'╔tudes celtiques, 
UniversitÚ d'Ottawa, 
70, rue Laurier,(131) 
Ottawa,  
K1N 6N5 
Ontario 
Canada    
www.modernlanguages.uottawa.ca/celtic.html 
TÚl. (613)562-5800(3767) 
TÚlÚc/Fax (613)562-5138. 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Eluned Mai <[log in to unmask]> 
Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:25:00  
To:[log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: Droped ancere New Bay 
 
Llawer iawn o ddiolch, Paul.  Mae'r wybodaeth hon am Fae Newydd o fudd 
mawr.  Beth rydych chi'n feddwl am y sillafiad o'r gair 'anchor', sef 
'ancere'?  Ydy o'n rhywbeth i'w wneud efo'r hen ffurf Saesneg 'ancer'? 
 Tybed ddylwn i wneud rhywbeth i gyfleu hyn yn y Gymraeg.  Dwi wedi 
edrych yn GPC ac 'angor' yw 'angor' ers y 12fed ganrif (er bod un 
cyfeiriad at 'bvru aghoreu).  Neu a ddylwn i roi nodyn yn rhywle i 
ddweud mai fel hyn y cafodd ei sillafu yn yr iaith wreiddiol? 
 
Llawer o ddiolch eto 
 
Eluned 
 
On 12/8/06, Pawl <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
> Mae hyn yn swnio'n debyg iawn i gyfeiriad at Bae Newydd neu Bahia Nueva ym Mhatagonia  lle cynhaeddodd y Mimosa yng Nghorffennaf1865. Bae Newydd oedd y ffurf ar lafar am gryn amser ar ˘l hynny. Daeth yr enw Porth Madryn i ddisodli'r hen enw erbyn diwedd y ganrif. Ceir nifer o ddogfennau o'r cyfnod yn Gymraeg sydd weithiau cadw at yr enw Saesneg New Bay. 
> 
> Paul W Birt 
> Paul W. Birt, PhD 
> Chaire d'╔tudes celtiques, 
> UniversitÚ d'Ottawa, 
> 70, rue Laurier,(131) 
> Ottawa, 
> K1N 6N5 
> Ontario 
> Canada 
> www.modernlanguages.uottawa.ca/celtic.html 
> TÚl. (613)562-5800(3767) 
> TÚlÚc/Fax (613)562-5138. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Eluned Mai <[log in to unmask]> 
> Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:50:08 
> To:[log in to unmask] 
> Subject: Droped ancere New Bay 
> 
> Mae hwn allan o ddyddlyfr o'r bedwaredd ganrif ar bymtheg.  Oes rhywun 
> wedi dod ar draws y math yma o beth o'r blaen?  Beth ddylid ei wneud 
> wrth gyfieithu? 
> 
> Diolch o flaen llaw 
> 
> Eluned 
> 

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