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Re: The Diamond Age

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Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:00:34 +0000

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Noyeau is a drink:

http://www.cocktaildb.com/ingr_detail?id=237

o'wise known as (in Anglo-Saxon corruptions)

creme de noyau, creme de noyeaux, creme de almond, noyeau

The original French is "crème de noyau" - an almond liqueur.

Roger

On 11/2/06, MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I don't understand the bit about the drink. Or the bit about the link
> turning. In fact I don't understand anything any more. Or never had. I
> just want to be a nutty nocturnal primate in my next life.
> emjay
> Robin Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Hi, Kasper.
> >
> >> any conscious gorilla tactics (ha har), but I won't deny that they
> >> pop up
> >> once in a while.
> >
> >
> > Sorry about this, Kasper, I hadn't meant to insult you -- I was
> > thinking particularly of an internet discussion list called Milton-L.
> > All this wasn't helped by my misspelling "noyau" as "noyeau", which
> > Martin silently corrected.
> >
> >> anything but a lack of experience (I'm 19 years old -- let's see how
> >> many
> >> people [who didn't know that] take me seriously anymore!);
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about being 19 -- it'd be more of a problem if the
> > figures were reversed and you were 91.  Then you'd be challenging the
> > Sage of Raynes Park for the title of Most Senior (senile?) Member.  <g>
> >
> >> Robin, what does 'noyeau' mean?
> >
> >
> > Um, yeah, well ...   <blushes>  I have it on good authority that this
> > is the name of a particularly lethal French drink made form the
> > cernals of gorillas.  Peaches!  (Oops.)
> >
> > Thus, when Martin says:
> >
> >>> "Noyau" means stone or kernel - I have no idea what Robin meant by
> >>> that.
> >>
> >
> > ...he's referring to how I should have spelled it.  (I presume --
> > Martin? --  that the link between what I meant to say and the Lethal
> > French Drink turns on the "kernel" side of the French word? ).
> >
> > The French term gets picked up in Primate Studies, and is used with a
> > completely different meaning.
> >
> > I'll tuck on at the end of this what seems to be the beginning of
> > something I wrote some time ago.  I can't vouch for too much of this,
> > as it's so long ago that I must have put it together.
> >
> > Sorry for the confusion.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > Interaction in Internet Lists Considered in the Light of Primate
> > Social Groupings
> >
> > Or
> >
> > Sportive Lemurs, Baboons, and Gorillas
> >
> > 1.        The Origin of the Term "noyau"
> >
> > In French, "le noyau" has the senses NUCLEUS, CORE, or KERNEL
> >
> > [The term is also used in French computing to correspond to "kernel"
> > in English - the core code of a computer operating system.]
> >
> > In the course of studying the Lepilemur, or sportive lemur in
> > Madagascar in the early sixties, the French ethologist * Jean-Jacques
> > Petter chose the term to apply to the social structure of these primates.
> >
> > [No, this is not a misprint for "ethnologist":
> >
> > ETHOLOGIST:  Psychology. a person whose work or speciality is ethology.
> >
> > ETHOLOGY:  Behavior. the study of animal behavior, especially of
> > animals in
> > their natural environment rather than in a laboratory or in captivity.
> >
> > [Jean-Jacques Petter, L'Ecologie et L'Ethologie des Lémuriens
> > Malagaches (Paris, 1962)]
> >
> > In time, this term, in Primate Studies, was both extended beyond the
> > sportive lemur, and came to have a very specific meaning:
> >
> > NOYAU:  "A social structure in which a male's territory overlaps the
> > smaller territories of several females; found in several nocturnal
> > primates." (Rowe, 1996)
> >
> > It is, of all the ways in which groups of primates can interact, the
> > most primitive of social structures ...
> >
>
> --
>
> M.J. Walker: http://walkoff.wordpress.com/
>
> Got to look at it at sunset when it's PINK
> My guidebook said. Good advice about anything I suppose.
>
> Kenneth Koch
>


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