I think the point is that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of
'God' (whatever that means) academically so the existence or
non-existence of "God" has no role in academic discourse. The discourse
has to rest of observable and provable phenomena.
Al
mina wrote:
> Jason and list,
> I know what is Academic approach very well. And I know what my heavy
> burden to call all the sages know as Yeats wrote and what Yeats's
> heavy burde is. However, I always think what magic and miracle are. We
> may read and collect the magic and miracle events like Stigmata. I
> hope you can understand the case of Yeats's automatic writing and his
> unknown instructors by the collecting books. Where are they now? They
> are angels or devils?
> Also I think that his prophetic poetry. Magic is not human beings area
> I think, but God's area, so if you can do magic power, it is from
> God's allowance. We are all going to one purpose, the achievement of
> "Unity of Being," Oneness. Yeats showed it very well and he supported
> the hidden Goddess, Immortal Rose for coming ture Rosy Peace in the
> future.
> You may read his books and his autobiographies to study his miracle
> world. That is academic study for the Occultism. And look around our
> world, and feel the reality from the Immortality. I think I am not
> separated from Yeats's magic and prophetic poetry world but it is a
> procedure because I studied, realized, and do my duty from his messages.
> What is good for Academic -study-Magic? For calling the Ideal l world
> and Immortality, we are doing, right? I analyzed and interpretated
> with many Gnostic materials, his poetry books, Occultims, Orientalism,
> Bible, his philosophies and so on. And finally I find it is a miracle
> and his sacred duty is from God. Yes, everything is from God's will.
> He was the last prophet for Immortal Rose and great magician and
> priest for Sophia. I expect it is coming to the New world after
> finishing the 2000 year period. Yes, there is coming New Age as Yeats
> wrote. It is my own thoughts? I think the greatest adepts and
> magicians may agree with my opinion.
> Mina
>
> */jason winslade <[log in to unmask]>/* 쓰기:
>
> I really have a problem with phrases like 'God's will' and
> 'greatest priest' in an academic forum. All this language sounds
> awfully dogmatic, especially with talk of 'promoting prophesies'.
> Maybe this isn't the right list for this kind of discussion?
> Especially when you ask a question like 'how can academic study
> about magic?'
>
> */mina <[log in to unmask]>/* wrote:
>
> How can academic study about magic?
> Yes, as a scholar, I have studied his poetry for over 15years
> and finally I made my theory.
> Therefore, I declared he is the great priest for Sophia,
> Immortal Rose. I hope all sages and magicians will come back
> to the greatest white magician as Yeats prophesied. How can we
> understand and show the evidence of the magic?
> The supreme and secret magic will be solved, although it is
> looks like impossible to do. How we can know it? Those are our
> behaviour and theses like this forum of Academic-study -magic?
> As a Yeatsian, I can see the processing of Yeats's prophecy
> and I have promoted it.
> He already gave the Immortal Rose in the world prophetic words:
> Dear shadows, now you know it all,
> All the folly of a fight
> With a common wrong or right.
> The innocent and the beautiful.
> Have no enemy but time;
> Arise and bid me strike a match
> And strike another till time catch;
> Should the conflagration climb,
> Run till all the sages know.
> We the great gazebo built,
> They convicted us of guilt;
> Bid me strike a match and blow
> Let's analyze this poem. Yes, it is prophetic poem. It is the
> messenger of Sophia's prophecy, mystic poem. It is King
> Athur's Magic Sword.
> Yeats was defeated and he has waited for the right time, and
> he wrote the importatant messeage for Immortal Rose to do in
> the future " Arise and bid me strike a match / Should the
> conflagration climb, / Run till all the sages know."
> Yeats is waiting for the Immortal Rose will be awakened and
> arise by his calling with his love poems and bid him to old
> ancient wisdom will come and spread.
> Who is the real priest for Immortal Rose, Divine feminine?
> It is time for New Age. Yeats shows his prophecy, The Second
> Coming and recovery of the Divine Feminine in his whole poetry
> and many stories.
> His words and authority are all from God, his unknown
> instructors. His role was the masculine principle, Christ and
> he left his poetry for the feminine principle to awaken. Yes,
> the masculine principle, Christ protects the feminine
> principle, Sophia. How can we show the evidence of his unknown
> instructors and the presence of the hidden Goddess, Holy Grail
> in the world? Only God allows it to the chosen man.
> I have the evidence of Yeats as the greatest gnostic priest
> and chosen man from his whole poetry and his anotehr works
> such as essays and short story books. I opened his prophecy in
> academic area as a my Ph.D. thesis and my many other theses.
> He has the greatest vision for future generation, our
> generation, so I have tried to show it. We can make the
> evidence of God's will, Yeats's prophecy by analyzing his
> whole poetry and declaring and showing all miracle things in
> academic study areas.
> Although my theory is looks like my personal opinion, at least
> I can help Yeats's prophetic poetry and God's will as Yeats
> prophesied. And I can do "Run till all the sages know." It is
> miracle and magic so I at least analyze Yeats's mystic poetry
> and now it seemed to my own belief but it is from God's will
> analyzed Yeats's whole messages to his descendants.
> Mina
>
> */diane yoder <[log in to unmask]>/* 쓰기:
>
> Such statements as "Yeats was chosen by God" hold more to
> a glib personal belief than something that can be
> discussed in an academic manner.
>
> Although I do agree Yeats' occult beliefs are understudied
> in English literature. Those of us in the discipline of
> Religion and Literature are keen on studying his
> religious/occult beliefs.
>
> Diane Yoder
> MA candidate
> Antioch University-McGregor
> Yellow Springs, Ohio
>
> On 11/26/06, *mina* < [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Dear Mogg and list,
> Mogg:
> I like the comments about Yeats - I agree he is a much
> misunderstood
> magical genius - on the otherhand comments such as
> 'crowley was a black
> magician' is a bit too glib - you need to say more -
> especially on such
> a list.
> I understand your words, mogg. I don't know Crowley's
> magic, because I don't need to study it. However, I
> know Yeats is a great white magician and he was chosen
> man by God to sacred duty for the feminine prinicple,
> Daughter Sophia who is staying with mankind. Yeats's
> poetic purpose is to awaken Sophia. You may can know
> when you only read his Rose poetry. The last 2000
> years was dark age and masculine age so the feminine
> principle was hidden. I think all magicians and
> hermits's final purposes are to acheive "Unity of
> Being" as Yeats emphasized: unite the masculine and
> the feminine principles. Although Yeats is looks like
> defeated man, he and all heavens are witing for the
> right time, because God only decided time to Judge and
> clean up the world. Yeats is waiting for his
> descendants, the upstanding young men. Nowadays, I
> find Yeats has not been to acknowledged as the great
> magician and the priest for Sophia as the last prophet
> for Immortal Rose. It is all God's will so Yeats also
> is waiting for the right time.
> All magicians and sages should know Yeats's messages
> in his magic poems. And I think it will be happened
> because "there is no enemy but tiem."
> I have read some books of Rosicrucianism, Cabalism, I
> do not study OTO ritual. However, I at least think it
> is time for us to know Yeats's magic power and open
> his great message for coming New World, New Age, Rosy
> Peace.
> In Light,
> Mina
>
>
> */Mandrake of Oxford < [log in to unmask]
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>
> Dear all
>
> interesting discussion - although it is in danger of
> accepting the equation that
> Thelema = OTO
> its surely a slice of, rather than the whole cake ; )
> Its a moot point how many thelemite are nonaligned
> / independent -
> perhaps the majority?
>
> I thought sites such as Lashtal were non-aligned
> resources
> - hence their value
> (rather than the supposed 'academic' aura?
> the authors might or might no possess?)
>
> Some OTOs have abandoned the gnostic mass
> - although it was perhaps the one ritual designed
> for them - )
> There are other Thelemic rites - connected with
> the secrets of eucharist
> magick - or better still up your own ;)
>
> The consumption of sacramental food is a tradition
> far older than gnostic christianity -
> i'd thought the cooking would remove any
> biological danger
> - is that naive?
>
>
> I like the comments about Yeats - I agree he is a
> much misunderstood
> magical genius - on the otherhand comments such as
> 'crowley was a black
> magician' is a bit too glib - you need to say more
> - especially on such a
> list.
>
> bb/93
>
> mogg
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> > Other examples of things the OTO does would be
> the Rites of Eleusis
> > (which, as a Classics major, I can say have
> nothing to do with the
> > ancient Greek Eleusinian Mysteries).
> > But it gives you an idea of the respectable
> types of things OTO
> > generally does.
> > http://oto93.com/eleusis.html
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