-Hi guys;
Here are some questions that bother me. For example, do different cultures have different rhythms? Do different organisation structures? Different occupational systems? How do we study this?
If different musics embody different accounts of time!space, why is this? How are these rhythms transmitted? Are different cognitive structures involved?
Why is Jimmy Giuffre's "Train and the River" about a train and a river? How is Takemitsu about "the thing we call Time"?
Please answer within one hour as we are discussing this topic right now in class.
Thanks to all.
Rock On,Dudes!
David
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Sent: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:18:58 +1300
From: "Bathurst, Ralph" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: call for help_rhythm and organizing
> Hi Enrico
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> Yes we have spent time talking about this issue. Our critique of Albert
> and Bell was fairly muted. Our reserve about their analysis was based
> on the notion that musical rhythm is much more complex than A & B
> indicated. The trouble is that it requires much more sophisticated
> musical knowledge to tease out those complexities.
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> It seems to me that to do this within the organisational studies
> discipline is going to involve devising a language that retains
> musicological integrity while at the same time is accessible to
> non-musicians.
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> For instance even defining rhythm is tricky. We could think of it at
> the level of pulse (or beat) which is where A & B focus, or we could go
> deeper and think of elements like harmonic rhythm which are more complex
> but much more interesting. Our critique of A & B signalled this latter
> notion of harmonic rhythm but this is where musical knowledge is
> crucial.
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> I am happy to engage in conversation about this with you and other
> interested people if you want.
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> Cheers
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> Ralph (Bathurst)
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> From: Daved Barry [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, 10 November 2006 1:52 a.m.
> To: 'enrico maria piras'; [log in to unmask]
> Cc: Bathurst, Ralph; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: call for help_rhythm and organizing
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> Ralph (Bathurst) and Lloyd (Williams)-didn't we talk about this at
> Krakow? Seems to me there were some rhythm discussions there. Anyway, in
> addition to the work that Ralph Kerle suggested, you should look at
> Cadences at Waco: A critique of "Timing and Music" by Stuart Albert and
> Geoffrey Bell (2002) Academy of Management Review, 27(4): 574-593. (as
> well as the original Albert and Bell piece). They really started the
> whole idea of rhythm and organization and are the only ones I know
> who've gotten very far with the concept. Hope this helps! Daved
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> From: Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations Research Network
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of enrico maria piras
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:08 PM
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> Subject: call for help_rhythm and organizing
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> Dear Acorners,
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> I'm right in the middle of writing a book section on an aesthetic
> perspective on workgroup cohesion.
> The key concept in my analysis will be "rhythm", which I will use to
> explore how micropractices are built. So far in my literature review I
> haven't found many references. I mean, many articles and authors use the
> word "rhythm" but only on an evocative level and there seems to be not
> much theory attached to this word. At the moment I'm referring to some
> reflections on art and especially music. I'd like to find out how this
> concept has been used in organizational theory.
> I'm sure some of you has come across this concept or something similar
> to it in your research. Could you help?
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> best
> Enrico
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