Trouble is most of us posting here are too far along the loop to go back to
the land, just look at what happened in New Orleans, if you live in the
middle of the big city and the power fails, eventually the best food is
going to be your neighbour, (that is when you have finished eating your
neighbours dogs)
I live on the edge of a City I might survive, but only if I am prepared for
the Hobbesian war of all against all as I fortify myself against the
invaders driven out from the centre.
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of A Velarde
> Sent: 29 August 2006 09:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: 'Civilisation' and Disabled People
>
>
> Isn't the idea of 'civilisation' a circular thinking. Was human mind human
> before 'civilisation'?
>
> Is our quest for 'electricity for all' a first (or last) steps for a
> platonic conception of the journey of the human 'soul'. -Is 'perfection'
> only attained in the 'perfect' world of 'civilisation'- 'the truth at the
> front of the cave'?
>
> There is a misconception (due to an ideological loop) here that need to be
> uncovered. Aren't some disabled people included rather than 'excluded' in
> places where there are not power cuts because there is not lectric power
> anyway?
>
> Wasn't disability an identity that 'enabled' society to direct huge human
> resources to the invention of the steam engine and the electric bulb?
> Thefinetely not the way around.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Arnold" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Customer Satisfaction and Disabled People
>
>
> > I suggest you read this blog it provides an interesting analogy
> >
> > http://thiswayoflife.org/blog/?p=40
> >
> > Who the F*** is Van Houten (never mind the famous "et al")
> anyway lets cut
> > some of this academic self referencing crap and talk about real people.
> >
> > Who are these mythical people who do without support, the whole
> fabric of
> > society is tied up with invisible support networks, it just
> happens to be
> > that when you get into disabling discourse and medical model
> mindsets you
> > construct a notion of disabled people as "the other" for whom "normal"
> rules
> > do not apply.
> >
> > If there is a power cut in your city, can you cook your dinner,
> heat your
> > home, put gas in your car, make a purchase, get money out the bank.
> >
> > Who is supporting all that, those are the supports of
> civilisation without
> > which the "poor bare forked animal" is disabled indeed
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Carol Hamilton
> > > Sent: 27 August 2006 22:23
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Customer Satisfaction and Disabled People
> > >
> > >
> > > >Hi there
> > >
> > > I'd also be interested in any research in this area.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to explore Van Houten et al's idea at the moment: - of
> > > the (normative) 'ideal citizen who does not require support' as the
> > > more favoured binary position in an abled/disabled series of binary
> > > comparatives. Seems to me that this idea citizen image ensures that
> > > the nature and form of support those on the abled side of the binary
> > > comparative need to appear to make it on their own don't feature as
> > > being outside the ordinary on the social landscape.
> > >
> > > What factors make requests for assistance normative, ie able to be
> > > requested without embarrassment or shame? What degree of conformation
> > > to Van Houten's 'ideal citizen' image does an individual need to
> > > display for assistance to become an expected, and given, aspect of
> > > their life?
> > >
> > > cheers Carol
> >
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