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Subject:

Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau

From:

"Ellis, Audrey (IMD- CISD Translation Service)" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:37:40 +0100

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Dyma sylwadau Gwasanaeth Cyfieithu Llywodraeth y Cynulliad. Rydym wedi
ymgynghori â'n cyfieithwyr deddfwriaethol.

Mae'n rhaid i enwau cwmnïau a gofrestrir yn Nhy'r Cwmnïau gynnwys y geiriau
'limited' 'ltd' 'cyfyngedig' neu 'cyf' (neu'r geiriau neu'r byrfoddau ar
gyfer mathau eraill o gwmnïau) ar ddiwedd yr enw.  Mae eithriadau i rai
cwmnïau nad ydynt yn gwmnïau er elw, gofrestru heb y 'ltd' 'cyf' etc.  At
ddibenion gwaith cyfreithiol,  byddwn ni bob amser yn defnyddio'r enw llawn
a gofrestrwyd, boed hynny yn Gymraeg neu yn Saesneg, beth bynnag fo iaith y
testun lle ymddengys yr enw, er mwyn osgoi rhoi rheswm i unrhyw un amau pa
gwmni yn union sydd dan sylw. O safbwynt ymarferol, mi all defnyddio 'cyf'
etc yn amhriodol beri trafferth i bobl sy'n delio gydag awdurdodau sy'n
mynnu cael yr enw cofrestredig ar ffurflen.

Mae'n debyg na fyddai ots o safbwynt cyfreithiol, mewn dogfen gyffredinol,
petai rhywun yn defnyddio'r enw 'answyddogol'.  Mae'n dibynnu beth yw natur
a bwriad y ddogfen. Ond gan ei bod yn haws yn ymarferol fabwysiadu un rheol,
sef defnyddio'r enw a gofrestrwyd bob tro, dyna yw ein harfer ni fel
gwasanaeth cyfieithu.

Rydym hefyd yn ystyried 'cyfyngedig' a 'cyf' fel rhyw fath o law-fer am
'[cwmni] cyfyngedig', ac felly ni threiglir 'cyfyngedig' neu 'cyf.' mewn
enwau fel 'Asiantaeth Hwyaid Penfro Cyfyngedig' gan mai '[Cwmni] Asiantaeth
Hwyaid Penfro [Cyfyngedig]' sydd y tu ôl i hynny.

Audrey

Audrey Ellis
Swyddog Cymorth Terminoleg / Terminology Support Officer
Y Gwasanaeth Cyfieithu / Translation Service
Llywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru / Welsh Assembly Government
Ffôn / Tel:         (029 20) 898694 
Ffacs / Fax:      (029 20) 898043
E-bost / E-mail: [log in to unmask]

Dylid ystyried unrhyw ddatganiad neu sylw a geir yn y neges hon fel un
personol ac nid o reidrwydd yn fynegiant o safbwynt Cynulliad Cenedlaethol
Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff cysylltiedig.

Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal
and not necessarily those of the National Assembly for Wales, any
constituent part or connected body.




-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Berwyn Jones
Sent: 19 July 2006 15:58
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


Barn Robyn Léwis, ar sail sgwrs ag e ar y ffôn gynnau, yw y dylid anwybyddu 
"penderfyniad rhyw Hitler bach mewn swyddfa. Petai'n mynd yn achos gerbron 
llys, byddai barnwr â synnwyr cyffredin yn holi beth yw 'Cyf' ond 'Ltd' yn 
Gymraeg?"

Yn atodiad 12 GNyG ('Endidau Cyfreithiol Ewropeaidd'), mae'n rhestru'r 
byrfoddau am wahanol fathau o gwmnïau mewn gwahanol wledydd. Byddai'n dadlau

o blaid cadw ffurfiau fel AG ar ddiwedd enwau cwmnïau o'r Almaen ac SA am 
gwmnïau o Ffrainc am eu bod yn fathau o gwmnïau sy'n wahanol i'r rhai a 
gewch chi ym Mhrydain a bod gan y gwahanol wledydd eu gwahanol ffyrdd o 
ffurfio cwmnïau. Ond gan ein bod ni yng Nghymru yn dod o dan yr un gyfraith 
â Lloegr, byddai'n defnyddio 'Cyf' a 'Cyfyngedig' ac 'Ccc' ar ddiwedd enwau 
cwmnïau heb boeni dim.

Berwyn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pennawd Cyf." <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


Endid cyfreithiol yw cwmni, ac un enw cyfreithiol sydd ganddo, sef yr enw a
gofrestrwyd gyda Thy'r Cwmniau.

A fyddai goblygiadau cyfreithiol i drosi enwau, felly?

Claire




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gorwel Roberts" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


Falle nad oes hawl gan y cwmni wneud hynny ond beth sy'n ein rhwystro ni
rhag ei wneud?

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geraint Løvgreen
Sent: 17 July 2006 16:37
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


A hefyd yn gwbl groes i'r hyn y mae Draig Technology Cyf. yn ei wneud ar hyn

o bryd! Hm.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berwyn Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


Diddorol iawn - a chwbl groes i'r cyfarwyddyd a gefais flynyddoedd maith yn
ôl!

Byddai'n ddifyr gwybod pryd y cyflwynwyd y rheol 'newydd' honno, ai drwy
ddeddf neu drwy ryw ddull arall, ac â phwy yr ymgynghorwyd. (Dyw GNyG ddim
yn crybwyll y peth dan 'limited'.)

Berwyn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neil Shadrach" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Trosi teitlau a dyfyniadau


Newydd dderbyn y canlynol oddi wrth Ty'r Cwmniau:

> Yn anffodus, nid oes hawl gan gwmni gyda'r enw "ABC Ltd" defnyddio
> "ABC
Cyf" > mewn testun Cymraeg. Rhaid defnyddio yn union enw cywir y cwmni.
Felly bydd > rhaid i'r cwmni "ABC Ltd" defnyddio'r enw "ABC Ltd".
> Hefyd, nid oes hawl gan gwmni o'r enw "ABC Ltd" defnyddio "ABC
> Limted". Dydych chi them yn gallu troi 'Ltd' i 'Limited', ond gallwch
> chi newid 'Limited' i'r ffurf gryno 'Ltd'.



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