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In any case, the papacy itself was responsible for introducing the celebration of the
feast of the Assumption to Rome during the mid-to-late 7th century from Byzantium
where it had already been celebrated at least since the 5th century. The
Carolingians were largely responsible for spreading it throughout Europe. And of
course there was empirical proof of the Assumption: no body. In 451 at the council
of Chalcedon, the bishop of Jerusalem, later canonized as St Juvenal, claimed that
her tomb had been found empty by the Apostles themselves. QED.
Cheers,
Jim Bugslag
On 16 Aug 2006 at 12:35, John Wickstrom wrote:
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> John ,
>
> The term "probable opinion" for such an ancient and universal doctrine
> such as the Assumption/Dormition sounds much more like Anglican (or
> perhaps modern-democratic) than Catholic thinking. I don't know the
> formal theological status of all the Catholic beliefs that are not
> "infallibly" proclaimed (indeed, all but two would fall into that
> enormous category, I guess: papal infallibility and the doctrine of the
> Assumption).
> Of late, there has been a lot of controversy, in America particularly,
> over the doctrinal status of the "ordinary magisterium". The Vaticanand
> conservative opinion suggests that the magisterium teaches the truth
> about by virtue of apostolotic succession without need for formal
> 'infallible statements'. But the latter dogma has proved a useful escape
> valve (probably never intended) because proponents on either side of a
> debate can, and do, say..."but of course it (celibacy, birth control,
> married clergy... fill in the blank) has not yet been infallibly
> promulgated.
> best
> John w.
>
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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> John Wickstrom wrote:
> >
> > I don't know that I would say the Assumption became dogma in 1950. It
> > was declared an infallible teaching of the pope at that point...for
> > all sorts of political and religious reasons. But the Assumption had
> > been a long held belief in the Church since the 4th or 5th century.
>
> But it only became a dogma in 1950. Prior to that it was only a
> "probable
> opinion" - enforced by the Inquisition, of course.
>
> John Briggs
>
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