>In 5th to 9th century Britain surely every settlement was by definition 'a
>place where something was made' be it metalwork, ceramic, textile, bone
>tools, coinage, straw hats, fishing nets, fish hooks, salt, milk, cheese,
>bread, illuminated manuscripts, weapons, buckets, houses, pointed sticks,
>ice skates, amber jewellry, roof tiles, tin trays, loom weights, mirrors,
>glassware etc etc. We are discussing an iron age (note lower case)
>agricultural/semi-industrial society. But not every 5th to 9th century
>placename is a -wich, -vic or -wick.
I think this is certainly an interesting point where we can trace its
origination to pre-Anglo Saxon, Romano British settlements. But could
it be that this origination of meaning was later expanded to result in
your comment above.
Another explanation might be that -wic making places were serving larger
than local areas and these settlements thus had -wic tacked on as a
suffix to the place name: like Salt (Sealt)-wic.
> I am personally quite happy to accept that -wich, -vic, and -wick place
>names could have a multiplicity of origins, but it is probably only
>archaeology (at the end of the day), that will demonstrate whether such
>settlements were newly founded in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th centuries,
>refounded on settlements of Roman origin or were continuously occupied
>over a longer period of time, and what 'activity', may or may not have
>taken place in that settlement at different times.
It was because Droitwich had such a long history of saltmaking as
well as a
Roman villa excavated in the 1950's - all in the location of the natural
brine springs - that I was able to suggest we look for Briquetage at
these specific locations. This all began in the 1970's and through the
1980's when we were finally able to trace saltmaking back to the early
Iron Age - though it seems likely that even earlier settlers in that area
made salt there.
> 'Ekwall' is a fine book, but it is at the end of the day largely
>speculative, based upon one persons interpretation of the origins of place
>names during a period when precise contemporary documentary evidence of
>such origins is scarce. Like many history/archaeology books written over
>60 years ago, it needs to be assessed in the context of subsequent research.
I know little of place names but in those I was able to research at
Droitwich I did find cause for pause in some of Ekwall's entries. I seem
to recall, however, that his work has now been updated, though to what
extant or how I do not know.
>Bea Hopkinson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> There have been many discussions on the subect of 'wic' and it is
>widely accept that it has the meaning of a place where something was
>made: salt making, i.e. Saltwic or Sealtwic, being one of them, etc.
>>kevin wooldridge wrote:
>>> But couldn't 'wic' also come from the Scandinavian denoting 'a
>>> settlement at the end of a long inlet' (hence the later wic-ings or
>>> vikings). Surely, a settlement at the end of a long inlet perfectly
>>> describes Hamwic, Londonwic, Ipswich, Norwich
>>No - definitely not. ON 'vik' is rare in English place-names.
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