Several, depending on your source. For Jewish correpsondences I would
recommend taking a look at Areyh Kaplan's translation of the Sefer
Yetzirah. In the case of the GD, I believe the attributions of the lower
sefirot, from Malkhut to Tiferet, are discussed in the Z1 paper, vol 6
of the Complete GD, begining on page 56 of my edition, under "The
Symbolism of the Temple"
Malkhut is to the West, and takes up most of the western part of the
Neophyte hall, the altar is in the eastern part of Malkhut. Between the
the altar and the station of the Hegemon is Yesod and the Hegemon is
between the pillars which are Hod and Netzach. Tiferet is beyond the
portal to the East. So, from a Hall of the Neophytes perspective the
directions on the Tree would be:
Malkhut: West
Yesod: Center
Hod: East
Netzach: North
Tiferet: East
peace
-jeffrey
Matt Habermehl wrote:
> Jeffrey,
>
> Now that I look at it again, I had indeed seen the diagram of "The
> Reflection of the Elements Down the Tree" before. My mind was working
> against me because I was trying to figure out directional
> correspondences. Do you happen to know if the sefirotic system has any
> directional correspondences?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On 26-Jun-06, at 5:44 PM, Jeffrey S. Kupperman wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> The sefirotic elemental system works, roughly, thusly: the sefirot
>> along the middle pillar, with the exception of Malkhut, are
>> associated with the element of air, Malkhut is earth. Fire and water
>> cross back and forth on the two side pillars. Fire is associated with
>> Chokmah, Gevurah and Netzach, water with Binah, Chesed and Hod. You
>> will find this in volume three, page 86, of the Complete GD (I'm
>> looking at a 5th printing from 1994, I don't know if previous
>> printings are different).
>>
>> re: the four winds. on pg 283 of Regardies The Golden Dawn, in the
>> paper on the ritual of the pentagram it reads:
>>
>> The elements vibrate between the Cardinal points for they have not an
>> unchangeable abode therein, though they are allotted to the Four
>> Quarters in their invokation [sic] in the Ceremonies of the First
>> Order. This attribution is derived from the nature of the winds. For
>> the Easterly wind is of the Nature of Air more especially. The South
>> Wind bringeth into action the nature of Fire. West winds bring with
>> them moisture and rain. North winds are cold and dry like Earth. The
>> S.W. wind is violent and explosive - the mingling of the contrary
>> elements of Fire and Water. The N.W. and S.W. winds are more
>> harmonious, uniting the influence of the two active and passive
>> elements.
>>
>> Er, to cross index, this is on page 12 of volume 4 of the Complete
>> GD. That same section goes on to discuss the cardinal directions and
>> the elements, which is brought up again in the next paper on the
>> hexagram.
>>
>> peace
>> -j
>>
>> Matt Habermehl wrote:
>>> Jeffrey,
>>> Very helpful - thanks.
>>> I have a version of Book One of Agrippa's sitting here beside me,
>>> but it's not Tyson's edition - though I think I can get Tyson's from
>>> a friend. I will most certainly check that out. Also, I will review
>>> the hexagram ritual. I'm not sure where to look regarding the
>>> attributes given to the lower sefirot, but I have Regardie's
>>> Complete GD System here, so I'll give that huge volume a browse ;-)
>>> Now, you mention the one according to the for winds... Is there a
>>> place in any GD literature where it explicitly says that this is how
>>> they've arranged the elements?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> matt
>>>
>>> On 26-Jun-06, at 4:46 PM, Jeffrey S. Kupperman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> There is a fairly good overview of this sort of elemental theory in
>>>> Tyson's edition of the Three Books of Occult Philosophy (appendix
>>>> III). In this he goes over both Aristotle's and Ocellus' quite
>>>> similar thoughts on the matter. Its relatively in depth for an
>>>> appendix and you might want to give it a look over.
>>>>
>>>> It might also be useful to point out that the GD, when conjoined
>>>> with the RR et AC, used at least three different elemental systems,
>>>> one according to the four winds, on according to the attributes
>>>> given to the lower sefirot and an astrological one using the
>>>> cardinal signs, which is found in the hexagram rituals.
>>>>
>>>> peace
>>>> -jeffrey
>>>>
>>>> Matt Habermehl wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Jeremy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard this idea before too, and I wonder about it. Most
>>>>> specifically, I wonder about relating the qualities of hot, cold,
>>>>> moist and dry to fire, earth, water and air respectively.
>>>>> I'm about to plunge into more research to confirm this, but I
>>>>> believe that - at least in Aristotle - the dominant qualities of
>>>>> the elements were as follows:
>>>>> Earth - Dry
>>>>> Water - Cool
>>>>> Air - Moist
>>>>> Fire - Warm
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize that this is a counter-intuitive arrangement, but it
>>>>> works excellently in the elemental square of opposition.
>>>>> Water is cool and moist
>>>>> Earth is dry and cool
>>>>> Fire is warm and dry
>>>>> Air is moist and warm
>>>>>
>>>>> If the primary qualities of the elements were as Ptolemy's winds:
>>>>> Earth - Cool
>>>>> Water - Moist
>>>>> Air - Dry (?)
>>>>> Fire - Warm
>>>>>
>>>>> Then no matter what the secondary quality was for each element,
>>>>> Air would still need to be a dry element.
>>>>> This, unfortunately, conflicts with the GD's first knowledge
>>>>> lecture, which lists the elements with their standard qualities,
>>>>> and Air as "Heat and Moisture". Now, you did point out that Air
>>>>> was a special case, so there may be a complication here that I'm
>>>>> not aware of...
>>>>>
>>>>> But if the Aristotelian primary qualities are assigned to
>>>>> Ptolemy's winds, we would have:
>>>>> Water = North
>>>>> Air = West
>>>>> Fire = South
>>>>> Earth = East
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, this is the mystery I'm looking to solve by finding out
>>>>> the origins of the GD system. Thanks for your input!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26-Jun-06, at 2:03 PM, Jeremy Glick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Matt Habermehl wrote:
>>>>>>> Does anyone know of any sources that discuss the rationale or
>>>>>>> the history of the adoption of the Golden Dawn's directional
>>>>>>> elemental attributions (Earth = N, Air = E, Fire = S, Water = W)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rationale I remember hearing is that it corresponds to the
>>>>>> classical four winds, and this seems to fit. Ptolemy, for
>>>>>> example, writes in Tetrabiblos (the classic text on astrology)
>>>>>> about the four winds, called Apeliotes (east), Notus (south),
>>>>>> Zephyrus (west), and Boreas (north): see
>>>>>> http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/1B*.html#10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, these don't correspond exactly to the elemental
>>>>>> attributions, since Ptolemy doesn't use the four elements model,
>>>>>> but rather the four properties of hot, dry, cold, and moist.
>>>>>> Still, he states that Notus is "hot and rarifying", Zephyrus is
>>>>>> "fresh and moist", and Boreas is "cold and condensing". The only
>>>>>> major point of divergence is that he refers to Apeliotes as
>>>>>> "without moisture and drying in effect", when Air is typically
>>>>>> thought of as being hot and moist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, the correspondence is pretty close, and I'd imagine that
>>>>>> this is the source of the attributions, though I don't have any
>>>>>> direct evidence to support that. So I guess this isn't much help
>>>>>> in figuring out the history of the Golden Dawn's use. For what
>>>>>> it's worth, the Wikipedia article on the four cardinal winds
>>>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi) doesn't mention any
>>>>>> classical connection to the elements, though that doesn't mean
>>>>>> too much by itself. Anybody know for certain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also thought I'd take this opportunity to introduce myself,
>>>>>> since I haven't posted to the list before. My name's Jeremy
>>>>>> Glick, and I'm a soon-to-be grad student in psychology, focusing
>>>>>> on neural network models of mind. The study of magic is a side
>>>>>> pursuit of mine, one which I greatly enjoy, but it's not where
>>>>>> most of my academic credentials lie. I hope to learn a great
>>>>>> deal from the conversations on this mailing list; I've enjoyed
>>>>>> what I've read so far. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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