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>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>In a message dated 22/05/2006 23:27:30 GMT Daylight Time,
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><<Further thoughts, kids abed, should be doing something else… >>
>
>Like the Rabbi said, life begins when the children leave home and the dog
>is
>dead...
>
><<It’s very unusual for resident chaplains to be called ‘canons’: in
>fact I’
>ve never come across it. Are you sure the prebendaries (i.e. the receivers
>of prebends) were not the canons, which is entirely normal, and the
>resident
>chaplains not effectively their vicars? >>
>
>These were exactly my expectations. See my reply to your first. Here's
>the
>transcription of what the Chantry Commissioners said (Lawrence Snell, /The
>Chantry Certificates for Cornwall /(Documents towards a history of the
>Reformation in Cornwall, No 1) (Exeter, nd [1953?])):
>
>[Chantry Certificate 15/89]: “… The Deanery or Rectorye there
>ffounded by
>kyng Adelstone to ffynde a Dean or a parson who is charged wythe three
>curattes to serve in three sev’all churches that is to say one to
>mynystre in the
>churche of saynt Buryan w’ is the mother churche & the other towe to
>celebrate
>in towe chappelles scituate wtin the paroche of saynt Buryan And being
>distant from the paryshe churche three ev’ye one of them three myles
>thereaboutes.
> To ffynde also three p’bendaryes to helpe to celebrate dyvyne servyce
>wythin the paryshe churche of saynt Buryan aforesayde w’ Dean & other
>the sayd p’
>bendaryes have for the mayntenance of their lyvings the revenues of
>certayne
>landes appoynted out for ye purpose dyvyded amongst the’ equallye
>accordyng
>to theyr severall porcons.”
>
>[Certificate 9/4: “… ffounded wtin the p’ishe Churche of Beryan to
>the
>Dean or Rector / of Beryan whyche hath the cure of ye p’ishe churche of
>beryan &
>of ij other p’ishe Churches being chappelles therunto appendaunt And ys
>charged wythe thre p’ishe churches.”
>
>The first certificate has three parishes and the second just one--which
>reflects the odd status of those parishes.
>
><<It would be interesting to know if these chaplains had any parochial
>responsibilities (eg at St Levan): a dual responsibility for both parish
>and
>liturgy in the church itself crops up at some other former minster
>collegiate
>churches. >>
>
>They did, as far as I can see, at least at times. When things were very
>prosperous, it looks as though there were chaplains appointed to do the
>duties
>at Buryan for the prebendaries, in addition to the King's Clerk who said
>masses for AEthelstan, but at other times (probably most of the time,
>given the
>complaints of neglect), the same men did both parish duties and minster
>duties,
>if they did them at all.
>
><<Likewise to know more about the lands that made up these prebends: for
>example, was St Levan on any particular prebend’s land? If so, would
>‘his’
>chaplain (if the chaplains are indeed vicars for the prebends) have played
>a
>specific role there?>>
>
>We'd all like to know about the land. Nicholas Orme, inter alios, has
>studied it, and cannot say for sure. The lands which supported the
>Deanery until
>1548 (and which were afterwards known as the Manor of Buryan and alienated
>from the church) were almost certainly those described in Domesday, which
>in
>turn seem to be the same as those in the AEthelstan charter
>(unsurprisingly,
>whether or not the charter is a forgery). The problem is that although
>some of
>them are still readily identifiable, quite a lot of it could be anywhere
>in
>the Deanery. Anglo-Saxon transliteration of early mediaeval Cornish can
>be
>pretty impenetrable--not that I know either language, but that's what
>those
>who do say, and I believe them...
>
>But the consensus is that most of the land was within what is now Buryan
>(the identifiable places all are), and that although one of the
>prebendaries was
>'of Trethyn', which seems to be Treen in St Levan, it isn't certain that
>any
>of his lands were there. I suspect they were, however. There were some
>odd
>(for this area) land-ownership patterns in Treen in 1838 which may hark
>back
>to this. Again it needs a lot more work.
>
>Susan
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