My experience of the university was that they could do exactly as they liked
and no one could stop them. What is remarkable, to me, is that I live here
on the out fucking side, while people like Michael Swindon are invited in.
He must be loaded!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Petra Boynton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion
> Mike S
> I think many of us here would like to know more about the research
> you were part of that looked at ethics committees. Are you able to
> share anything about it?
>
> PB
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Intentions Re: name consusion
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:56:32 +0100
>
> >Sue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling
> >errors after sending e-ms)
> >
> >'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see
> >my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of
> >acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the
> >case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about
> >CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified
> >to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times
> >to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to
> >be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to
> >block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I
> >found that supportive letter from John.
> >
> >Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members
> >other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected
> >people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk
> >Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services,
> >stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the
> >consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds
> >and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse
> >one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous
> >offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful
> >in society..'
> >
> >As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately
> >active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin
> >Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their
> >clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors'
> >were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good
> >intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high
> >positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do
> >and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and
> >'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and
> >graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible'
> >odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I
> >participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the
> >barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of
> >people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to
> >life and research participation.
> >
> >Mike Swin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sue McPherson
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PM
> > Subject: Intentions Re: name consusion
> >
> >
> > No need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael
> >has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam
> >infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark -
> >which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the
> >beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a
> >course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as
> >spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and
> >porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's
> >junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure.
> >
> > I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course
> >being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments
> >about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts
> >spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do
> >something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations
> >are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and
> >indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on
> >such matters.
> >
> > We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language.
> >Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes.
> >Your intentions matter.
> >
> > Sue McPherson
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Penny Priest
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: name consusion
> >
> >
> > Ooops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay
> >attention.
> > There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their
> >right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself
> >at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I
> >think there are merits in silence and shouting.
> > Penny
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusion
> >
> >
> > Penny,
> >
> > Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from
> >recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the
> >over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many
> >key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question
> >marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on
> >recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much
> >tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am
> >still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything,
> >despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies
> >for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national
> >network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very
> >urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave.
> >
> > Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and
> >negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research
> >barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own
> >treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least)
> >ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male
> >(i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes
> >and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own'
> >Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very
> >concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad
> >that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another -
> >including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing
> >good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am
> >also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of
> >knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been
> >kindly responding.
> >
> > Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen
> >experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets
> >for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our
> >lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can
> >achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and
> >co-operative environment with enough material resources.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Penny Priest
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AM
> > Subject: On a few technical notes
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone
> > I just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the
> >recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings,
> >before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing,
> >obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an
> >angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just
> >wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened
> >recently to Dawn.
> > I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's
> >(Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you
> >Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here,
> >Michael? Or are you?
> > Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own
> >and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began
> >following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought
> >was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could
> >imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current
> >fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice
> >mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed
> >the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research,
> >which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged
> >onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers
> >had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this
> >list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks
> >this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul
> >seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue
> >is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing
> >her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that
> >what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me
> >thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions
> >on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and
> >politely.
> > I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on
> >too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite
> >different positions.
> > Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love
> >from:
> > a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning
> >fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported
> >Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman
> >(this is just how I see myself at the moment).
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