Either it's not a valid technique for constructing longish pieces, or I
wasn't terribly good at it -- this was long ago and early in my (still
ongoing, of course!) apprenticeship. I still find that patches of it turn up
in other poems, though. If I can find one of the early pieces I'll post it
up. There was one in particular; but of course I can't think what I filed it
under, which means the computer has eaten it.
Haven't time to search everything right now -- things to get done before I
get the train north on Wed for the StAnza Festival at St Andrews. Any other
petcers planning to be there? I'm due to man a table at the pamphlet event
on Sunday, on behalf of Arrowhead and Vane Women presses, but have tickets
for readings etc as well.
joanna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: help--translation query
yes, accept my mouth is wide when it sez laide, rounded and "out" when
it goes for crows.
When I don't move my lips, the adelaide sounds back of the mouth, the
crows, forward.
Having repeated it ad nauseaum, you're right. The ai *is between the two.
Oh, this is interesting! Thankyou. do yo uhave any of those poems to hand?
Roger
On 3/12/06, Joanna Boulter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Yes, but if you're just talking about vowel sounds, you have to take into
> consideration the ai in Adelaide, which not only sounds more or less
> midway
> between the a and the o but brings the mouth into a physical position on
> the
> way forward to the o. Many years ago I used to construct whole poems on
> similar vowel progressions. Had no idea whether this was a recognised
> technique, but I used to call them tipping vowels.
>
> joanna
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: help--translation query
>
>
> I still like the way "Adelaide Crows" rolls in my mouth. Some sense of
> oppositional vowel? the ways the a and the o don't sit right together
> but share something? A seems up, the o seems down, yet they're a major
> fifth apart?
>
> A de la (cr) o
> Up down up (down further) (up a bit)
>
> When I was a kid, seagulls - not the kittiwakes ya gets here in Cambs
> - used to sit on the gunbarrel bollards and stare at you with a yellow
> eye from the side of their head. And thems with their sodding big
> beaks. They were as tall as me then and looked like they could carry
> me off. The black-backed gulls were far worse, being bigger, but they
> perched on the bollards less.
>
> I shall have to listen to the Messiaen again.
>
> Roger
>
> On 3/11/06, Jill Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi Roger,
> >
>
> > As for crows, well, our crows, the native ones, are actually Australian
> > Ravens. They have a very distinctive call. Some Aboriginal groups don't
> > like them hanging around at all. They link them to kadaitcha and, I was
> > told by one friend based in Alice Springs, that they are old men
> > (ghosts, if you will) spying and they bring bad luck. We met another
> > Aboriginal women from the Murray area and she said whenever she'd hear
> > the crows she knew she was being called back home (she's an artist). As
> > for us white white guys, well, I don't mind the crows. for some odd
> > reason, they remind me of my childhood. But others may differ. I mean,
> > they're big black birds with sharp eyes. Some people are spooked by
> > that, especially up close.
> >
> > Our wrens are quite gorgeous. We get a few blue wrens about in our
> > garden (it's the males than are blue, the jennies are brown). Not at
> > the moment, definitely seasonal.
> >
> > This does put one in a Messiaen mood. I used to listen that obsessively
> > many years ago. Old vinyl so it's stashed away somewhere.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jill
> >
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