Fair enough point Robin - people might not want to confuse the
repository with the library. At CERN we do combine our repository with
our library holdings but that wasn't necessarily what I was suggesting
others should do.
The point I was trying to make was that if you want to make a repository
that holds 100% of your institution's documents, then you need to do
more than talk.
Ten years of a mandate with publicity by activist librarians has not
filled the CERN repository - it has part-filled it, but hard work by
library and CDS staff has made up the rest. However easy we try to make
it, however much canvassing we do, there are still many papers that do
not get uploaded by the authors (or their secretaries), for whatever
reason. Rather than just ignore them, we try to find them. And we are
also trying to track down our historical papers too so that we have a
complete archive. Of course we continue to talk too!
I also believe that loading metadata for your own institutional-authored
documents that haven't been submitted is at least a first step towards
chasing the full-text of those documents. Maybe you are suggesting that
the metadata records shouldn't be put into the repository without the
full-text. But surely it is a useful step to chase that metadata and at
least put it somewhere (why not in the repository?) for later use if the
full-text does turn up. If you don't know they exist, how are you going
to find them? Just wait and hope the authors are persuaded/forced to
send them to you? And without knowing what you're missing, you don't
know how well you're doing either..
I know you were referring to the naming debate but we shouldn't let a
name prevent us from doing something useful.
Have a good weekend all, I'm off next week to enjoy some snowboarding :)
Joanne
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Repositories discussion list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robin Rice
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:05 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Learning from the successful OA IRs
>
> I'm quoting from this thread, but my point is more to do with
> the naming thread.
>
> In Heery and Anderson's 2005 Digital Repositories Review (for
> JISC), they differentiate a digital repository from other
> digital collections, partly in that content is deposited
> (whether by the content creator, owner or third party).
>
> I am more comfortable with that as a distinction than I am
> with the notion that digital repository is an updated term
> for digital library, because surely a characteristic of a
> library is that the content is selected, not deposited.
>
> The second point below (originally numbered 4) seems to be
> within that spirit, whereas Joanne's suggestion brings
> selection back into the frame.
> But if people believe it is necessary for their repositories
> to have lots of records in order to attract use then I guess
> it is logical to go fill it up with other things, or with
> metadata records without objects.
>
> So is deposit a purist attribute of digital repositories, or
> are we back to repositories being anything that stores stuff?
> Robin Rice
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joanne Yeomans" <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Point 4 (or a new point) I would also add needs to be
> someone or some
> > people who can also look out for sources (eg authors web
> sites, other
> > repositories, even hard copy archives of older papers) that contain
> > papers that are relevant to your institution and look at
> ways to add
> > those either manually or automatically.
> >
>
> >>
> >> (4) Activist librarian support for approaching authors
> to elicit
> >> the final draft for depositing, and even doing the deposit for
> >> them
> >> if necessary (needed for initial start-up years only) Steven
> >> Harnard
>
>
>
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