Thanks for the comment, Christiane,
I now vow to post, once a month, one paragraph on a good artwork. I promise
to start 'going positive' and try to improve things that way.
Rosanne
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Christiane Paul <[log in to unmask]>
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] a comment on artistic and curatorial
> practice
> Datum: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:23:47 -0500
>
> Hi Rosanne,
> I 110% agree with all the points you're making... "almost not worth
> commenting on" was indeed what kept me from writing (I'm also completely
swamped
> right now).
>
> On the other hand... the announcement of this project arrived in my in-box
> about 10 times -- not only from the artist but on several lists where it
> was immediately spread (not by the artist) and discussed (not as in-depth
as
> on this one). My main question became: why is this getting so much
> attention (as opposed to all the other works that would be worth to be
spread and
> discussed)? Apparently, the cheap, ham-fisted, in-your-face approach still
> works very well...
> C.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curating digital art - www.newmedia.sunderland.ac.uk/crumb/ on
> behalf of Rosanne Altstatt
> Sent: Fri 3/24/2006 11:33 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: a comment on artistic and curatorial practice
>
> Andrew, Andreas, everyone else,
>
> I can hardly believe I'm even commenting on this work, but I guess I can't
> resist any longer since your emails have been landing in my inbox.
>
> This ass-licking 'artwork' is as one-to-one, beating it with a stick,
> hitting-it-with-a-large-hammer-in-the-most-obvious-of-terms, stupid as it
> gets.
>
> Your discourse on violence/submission/domination/consent is very valid,
> but
> I'd also like to state, in addition, that it is a low-quality piece of
> work.
> I'm sure I can't be alone in this opinion. Why doesn't anyone else say it?
> Maybe because it's almost not worth commenting on? Maybe I'm validating it
> by even writing this, but whatever, here goes:
>
> The relation between artist and curator (artists often curate
> themselves/each other, too) is complex, to say the least. This work
> manages
> to simplify it in headline-grabbing terms - no depth. Yes, many artists
> feel
> that they or their colleagues must lick ass to get anywhere. This is not a
> newsflash. I do find it, however, extremely narrow in its view. The
> curator-artist relationship is interdependent.
>
> This work was probably a sincere expression of the aritsts' feelings, but
> that still doesn't make it a good work of art. It takes more than 'my
> feelings' and bravado to make a good work of art.
>
> Another comment:
> Generally speaking, does a public audience care about all of our
> navel-gazing? Does it care about the artist-curator relationship?
> Publishing
> books or writing on lists, which are specifially meant for an artworld
> audience, is exchanging information within an interested audience of art
> professionals.
> Does anyone really think an audience, which hopefully includes non-artbiz
> people, attends galleries and art events to hear about the artworld? I
> seriously doubt it. Most visitors want to take in something that will
> enrich
> their lives. Self-reflections from and for the artworld generally don't do
> it for anyone but ourselves.
>
> Rosanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Andrew Bucksbarg <[log in to unmask]>
> > An: [log in to unmask]
> > Betreff: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] a comment on artistic and curatorial
> > practice
> > Datum: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:10:41 -0500
> >
> > Hello Andreas,
> >
> > Thank you for your thoughtful and sensitive reply. I took no offense
> > >from you, your admission of heterosexuality or your forwarding this
> > project- nor do I wish to censure anyone in the democracy of ass-
> > licking : ) But I have a strong reaction to the project. I wonder
> > if the curator on the pole had been female? Would this change anything?
> >
> > I am troubled by what appears to be a rape or simulated rape as a
> > critical device (the fraternity prank- his friend directs him to "do
> > it better"). The press release suggests the curator requested a
> > "surprise intervention," and watching the video I saw actions of
> > struggle and words of resistance- there was domination, submission
> > and humiliation throughout this imbalance of power. I did not read
> > his smile as elation, but one of uncomfortableness or embarrassment,
> > although I cannot claim to know what his experience was, these were
> > apparent, whether scripted I don't know... This process, I can agree
> > with you, is interesting in exposing the dynamical relations in the
> > social transaction of artist and curator (and even more appropriate
> > for gallerist and artist), but if this were the goal, I think there
> > are less problematic ways of achieving it than simulated? sexual
> > assault.
> >
> > I thought of gay-bashing as well here, where the victim is given an
> > extreme dose of what the perpetrator perceives as the victim's
> > iniquity. I also think of rape in pornography, etc.
> >
> > Was this a crime?
> >
> > What if the curator had felt violated by the "surprise intervention,"
> > would he be able to prosecute the artist? Would this be part of the
> > piece?
> >
> > I agree that one should have a choice in the licking process. I was
> > bothered by the curator's struggle at being bound, where he appears
> > to say "no, no, come on guys, fucking hell," and his posturing and
> > body language, which lead me to believe it was non-consensual or a
> > simulation of such.
> >
> > I still insist my opinion that it was a prank in poor taste, however
> > I am glad you brought the piece to the table.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ndrew
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:14 AM, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
> >
> > > dear andrew,
> > >
> > > i have been wondering whether or not to respond to your message,
> > > given it is difficult for a confessing hetero not to sound
> > > homophobic when tackled like this. and i sincerely apologise if i
> > > hurt anybody's feeling beyond the incitement of critical
> > > reflections about curatorial practice. but neither is ass-licking a
> > > queers-only activity, nor is the way one takes it (tied or not) in
> > > itself good or bad, but a matter of personal preferences. (i agree
> > > that it should be consensual which in this case, judging from the
> > > photos of the slightly elated curator, i think it was. after all,
> > > the guy seems to be the curator who actually organised the show...)
> > >
> > > what if this is not a 'fraternity prank', but the honest comment by
> > > an artist on how he feels in relation to this, or any other,
> > > curator? your fantasy of 'the next episode' is another interesting
> > > comment on the curator-artist relationship, esp. given the recent
> > > obsession of many people who feel that they are making an important
> > > contribution to the world by talking about (only ever their own)
> > > curatorial practice, make shows about it, fill books and conference
> > > panels with it. - i thought the reference was apt on the crumb
> > > list, though admittedly slightly gory.
> > >
> > > people should decide for themselves which side of the lick they
> > > want to be on.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > -a
> > >
> > >
> > > ps: i guess that what i am doing is what in german we call 'sich in
> > > die Nesseln setzen', aber in harmlosen Sitauionen wie dieser ist es
> > > immer schoen, wenn der Schmerz nachlaesst...
> > >
> > >
> > >> Quoting Andrew Bucksbarg <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >>
> > >>> Having one's ass licked can be an intimate, pleasurable experience
> > >>> when not hog-tied to a pole without apparent consent.
> > >>>
> > >>> I may be mistaken, but I think the next piece in this series is
> > >>> "STICKIN' IT TO 'EM," where the curator forcefully ties the artist
> > >>> face down to a chair and rams a broom stick up the artist's ass.
> > >>>
> > >>> As a queer person and trans-gender sensitized, I find this
> > >>> fraternity
> > >>> prank in poor taste.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ndrew
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:20:18 +0100
> > >>> > From: Kristofer Paetau <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> > Subject: Artists Lick Curators Ass at Higher Institute For
> > >>> Fine Arts!
> > >>> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > SURPRISE PERFORMANCE: LICKING CURATORS ASS by Ondrej Brody &
> > >>> > Kristofer Paetau within the experimental exhibition format
> > >>> > "ExtraFeatures Series (1)", curated by Jan Van Woensel who
> > >>> invited
> > >>> > us to do a surprise intervention in this exhibition / decor /
> > >>> > documentary project at the Higher Institute for Fine Arts,
> > >>> Antwerp,
> > >>> > Belgium.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > A web documentation to view & read:
> > >>> > http://www.paetau.com/downloads/LickingCuratorsAss/
> > >>> > LickingCuratorsAss.html
> > >>> >
> > >>> > A PDF documentation (0,3 MB) to download at:
> > >>> > http://www.paetau.com/downloads/LickingCuratorsAss/
> > >>> > LickingCuratorsAss.pdf
> > >>> >
> > >>> > View the "Licking Curators Ass" Quicktime Video (2min.52sec. DSL
> > >>> > required):
> > >>> > http://www.paetau.com/downloads/LickingCuratorsAss/
> > >>> > LickingCuratorsAss.mov
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Best wishes, Kristofer Paetau
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>
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