Sorry Paul
I hadn't read this reply to Mark's passing on of Ian Parker's statement
before I sent mine off.
Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't find its effect clarifying. Your
response is very helpful in "contextualising" the statement.
I am also interested to hear more about the frictions between community and
critical staff at the MMU. Not just so that I can tell my colleagues about
it over a hot chocolate, but rather because there are tensions between
people's positions that it probably helps to clarify in this relatively safe
environment.
Can "the" story of the tensions be told without a personalising "he said,
she said" element?
Cheers
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul@home [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 13 December 2005 21:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On being critical again - clarification from
Ian Parker MMU
This is a clear as puddle water to me, I am afraid...
Surely Ian Parker's statement is in relation to his and Mark Burton's
working relationship (as Ian's statement is primarily written in the
personal singular pronoun and I take the 'we' in Ian's message to refer to
Mark and Ian not to collectives of crit and com psychs in and around MMU). I
am not just being pedantic about grammar, I am actually quite upset by the
way we are being invited to read Ian's statement because I am at MMU and I
don't want it read that how Ian and Mark work together necessarily
represents how I and com psychs and crit psychs work together or for that
matter how any
of us work together. If Ian Parker intended for his statement to represent
how all the crit and com psychs
relate to one another at MMU, I will be having words with him over a strong
skinny latte!
I am sorry, but Ian's statement does not clarify the position between those
known as 'critical psychologists' and those known as 'community
psychologists' in and around MMU, it clarifies what one person who is known
as a 'critical psychologist' thinks about his working relationship with one
person known as a 'community psychologist' in and around MMU. I find it
deeply unhelpful for this statement to be used in a way to suggest it says
something more than that. I am a critical community psychologist at MMU and
I see much falling apart between various critcal and community people as I
see falling together. I actually see much friction between the two groups of
people - as a critical-community psychologists at MMU I often fall apart
myself!
Moreoever, this would seem a very wierd email indeed. Why is Ian Parker
making a statement to our list members on his working relationship with Mark
Burton? It should be unclear to us where it has sprung from, unfortunately
it might not. If it has sprung from the content of a private email
correspondence between two list members that was sent accidentally to the
list then perhaps the assumption is that none of us has respected the fact
that it was clearly a piece of private correspondence that was not intended
to be read by the list. As such, it assumes that none of us respected the
privacy of these two list members. I do hope that this email from Mark and
Ian has not sprung
from there. Are we acting as ethically as we should in relation to what we
do with private emails sent accidentally to the list?
I find it very disheartening that if I were ever to accidentally send a
private email to the list that I might have insufficient cause to trust list
members to delete it without reading it. I am certainly going to be very
careful in the furture as to whom I send my online order form for the
complete works of Jeffrey Archer!
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mark Burton
Sent: 13 December 2005 14:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On being critical again - clarification from
Ian Parker MMU
Ian Parker has asked me to post this, which clarifies the position between
those known as 'critical psychologists' and those known as 'community
psychologists' in and around the Manchester Metropolitan University (MMU).
__________________________________________________________________
I have seen Mark's provocative contribution on the difference between the
use of a critical theoretical framework on the one hand and the worst of
simple critical complaint on the other.
Mark and I agree about lots of things, but I count him as one of my
comrades in the attempt to engage in genuine constructive critical
theoretical work. There is an overlap between what I try to do under the
rubric 'critical psychology' - in which I take my distance from the
'postmodern' relativist merely academic attempt to carve out
a market niche for the 'criticals' - and what Mark is doing in the sphere of
'community psychology'.
This overlap is where we stand together, community and criticals, at MMU.
Ian Parker
--
From Mark Burton
Manchester UK
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