You can measure variables like EEG changes, heart
rate, and other biological metrics, as well as
cognitive and affective changes via projective
psychological tests post ritual. That said, it doesn't
give you a direct understanding of the nature of a
person's internal experience.
--- Al Billings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You can't measure the effects of ritual on people.
> You can only record their verbal reports of effects.
> I'm sure all of us who are practitioners have met
> people that claim all sorts of things.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patric Gavin
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Golden Dawn Questions
>
>
> On 12/14/05, Al Billings <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> I'm not sure #2 is really an academic question
> (and I'm wearing my academic hat here).
>
> As to #1, I don't think that you can find a
> modern group without other "recent spiritual"
> influences. People, as individuals, bring a lot of
> that to a group. We aren't late 19th century
> Victorians. Our reactions to things won't be the
> same.
>
> Why is #2 not an academic question precisely?
>
> And as for your second point, I never said
> "without", I said "with a minimum". There is a vast,
> vast difference between those two; "minimum" does
> not mean "very little", it means "least possible".
>
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