Dear all,
Further to my comments about my worries re the Layard proposals - have a
look at the Guardian today for a full spread .
Annie
--On 29 November 2005 21:59 +0000 amitchel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>
> While I do agree with what David says here about clinical psychology, I
> also need to say that my suggestion that we think about timing the next
> conference to fit with
> potential trainees was not meant to be about appropriating it in any way
> (though perhaps it comes across like that) -simply part of an effort to
> make it accessible - and there will be plenty of other things to take
> into account too naturally.=
>
> Is there an implication here though that if a clinical psychologist is
> part of the group offering to do all the hard work organising the
> conference that it will default to clinical psychology values and
> assumptions? - If clinical psychology is dominating the agenda too much
> what should we do - maybe we are speaking out too much and need to keep
> quieter? As someone who is currently being punished rather hard within
> my institution for not colluding with the prevailing clinical ethos, and
> for acting on what I feel to be community psychology values and
> assumptions, I would feel sad if our community psychology network turned
> into yet another them and us sort of place which for me it so much
> hasn't felt so far. I've been so grateful for what has felt pretty much
> to be a safe space - it is really important for me that we can do
> disagreement here but in a way that is kind and not scary to speak out
> in. And David, I very much like and respect you - but you can be a bit
> scary in the way you put things! But I guess I can take a fair bit of
> scariness from colleagues and friends who I feel are basically with me...
>
> Annie
>
> PS re critisising clinical psychology - taking a look at the awful
> uncritical Layard stuff and orchestrating a community psychology
> rejoinder/ alternative, to try and challenge the clinical psychology/CBT
> takeover would be good? Does anyone have any thoughts about how we might
> do that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== Original Message From The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> <[log in to unmask]> =====
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> In case we are in danger of too soon closing down discussion in an
> insufficiently problematised and affirmatory consensus, here are some
> provocations:
>>
>>
>>
>> Where?
>>
>> Like everyone on the list, I am grateful for those in Yarmouth for
>> offering
> to host the next conference. However keys point about the site of the
> conference are, in my view, accessibility and cost. When we organized
> the UK CP conference in Stirling attendance was very poor and the travel
> time and c
>> ost implications seemed one discouraging factor. Would the position and
> transport links of Yarmouth be an issue? I don't think so but don't know.
> Another key issue relates to whether the choice of site determines
> whether the conference will default to clinical psychological
> assumptions and values (s
>> ee below)
>>
>>
>>
>> When?
>>
>> The Stirling semester usually starts about 10th September each year and
> attendance around that time would be difficult for group members here.
> Also when I was organising the Stirling meeting, feedback to me was that
> holding the conference over a Friday evening / Saturday would exclude
> Jewish colleag
>> ues
>>
>>
>>
>> Who for?
>>
>> I suggest it is a mistake to identify community psychology with a
> socially-liberalized version of clinical psychology. As a critical
> community psychologist I regard clinical psychology as fundamentally
> problematic with its almost universal tendency to individualize,
> pathologise and collude ideologic
>> ally with oppressive status quos. I accept that there is currently an
> encouraging development of critical clinical psychology and strongly
> recommend any clinical psychologist to read the work of David Smail,
> Craig Newnes and others (Craig's new book is especially interesting in
> my view). However, wh
>> ilst it is vital for clinical psychology to get its house in order,
>> clinical
> psychologists seem to me to have lots of conference and meeting
> opportunities to critically debate the problematic nature of clinical
> psychology. I suggest it would be a wasted opportunity to devote the
> only major opportuni
>> ty in the UK to get together to debate community psychology by spending
>> it
> talking about clinical psychology year after year. Even more of a waste
> of scarce time to spending the time introducing clinical psychology
> trainees to community psychology . . rather than lobbying to ensure
> trainees have opp
>> ortunities to engage with community and critical psychology critiques of
> clinical psychology in the training courses!
>>
>>
>>
>> What?
>>
>> For me, Saima, your message raised an important issue but then muddied
>> it. To
> me racism is an appalling form of oppression and psychology, including
> clinical and community psychology, are problematically ethnocentric.
> Tackling racism and ethnocentrism should definitely be a priority for
> community ps
>> ychology but I doubt that that these can be best tackled via the lens of
> clinical psychology. Community psychologists in New Zealand and Australia
> and critical social-community psychologists in South Africa and South
> America have made important strides in exposing and tackling 'white
> privilege' and
>> racist oppression and here in the UK original work thinking about 'White
> terror' is being done by critical social representations psychologists
> e.g. at the LSE. I fear, and I think this was part of Craig's point,
> that clinical psychological is a deeply flawed perspective for getting
> to grips with so
>> cially manufactured and maintained oppression?
>>
>>
>> How?
>> The process issue is vital . . . surely how we conduct our community
> psychology conferences should be consistent with our community psychology
> values and assumptions . . . not just like any other conference with
> community psycholgy content dropped in to the 'slots'?
>>
>> . . . .
>>
>> David
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Diamond
>> Bob Sent: Tue 29/11/2005 18:11
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On the subject of conferences...
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Wendy
>> I think your suggestions for the conference are really helpful and will
>> help us to engage with one another on a number of topics. I don't really
>> mind when it is other than August.
>> Bob Diamond
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Franks, Wendy -
>> Clinical Psychologist
>> Sent: 28 November 2005 16:50
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On the subject of conferences...
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. I haven't heard any
>> objections,
>> either via the list or privately, about us organising the next
>> conference
>> over here in Yarmouth. I've been encouraged by the general level of
>> enthusiasm about the prospect, and so unless there are any strong
>> objections, I think we should go ahead and start planning!
>>
>> I have started to put together some loose ideas and am looking at themes
>> and
>> suggestions that have already been raised here through email. So far
>> I've
>> got an A4 document with possible themes & possible functions for the
>> next
>> conference, and hope to add to this over the next month or two as issues
>> arise here on the list. In keeping with my background with qualitative
>> research methods, I seem to be leaning toward drawing connections
>> between
>> ideas and looking for ways of pulling them together into a bigger
>> picture.
>> I'd like to come back to the list about a theme once we've been able to
>> set
>> up a group to organise the conference and had a meeting or two. I hope
>> that
>> we'll be able to come up with an overarching theme that can incorporate
>> several of the suggestions that we've had so far.
>>
>> I'd also like to use the ideas that have been offered (and ideas yet to
>> be
>> offered!) to inform the structure of the conference. I think many of the
>> potential functions that David outlined are compatible and could
>> overlap. I
>> think one of the things that happened at the Newcastle conference was
>> that
>> people came with different agendas, and that many of these could be
>> accommodated within a conference programme that was pretty broad and
>> offered
>> plenty of choice. However there are some functions that seem less
>> compatible, and so the conference could be constructed to enable choice.
>>
>>
>> Three main structures come to mind at this point:
>> * We could have a selection of sessions peppered across a (yet to
>> be
>> specified) number of days.
>> * We could also have different days for different functions, that
>> people could choose to attend if they want - so one idea could be to
>> have
>> the first day for more general and introductory stuff - the basics of
>> community/critical psychology, how it fits with other disciplines,
>> examples
>> of community psychology in practice, etc. Then the second day we could
>> have
>> for the 'sustained critical debate' bit without having to explain the
>> assumptions and basics. We could have a third day, as was suggested at
>> Newcastle, for action.
>> * We could have a number of 'streams' going through the conference
>> -
>> with a focus on different functions.
>>
>> I'm very aware that each of these structures has potential problems as
>> well
>> as strengths, and that there are other possibilities that haven't
>> crossed my
>> mind. Still, I think there's plenty of time for that.
>>
>> Probably the most pressing issue for now is to think about dates. If
>> we're
>> going to have a conference, we'll need to book a venue.
>>
>> I am aware that we have traditionally (!) had the conference in October,
>> and
>> this coincides nicely with Black History Month - around which there have
>> been events organised in Great Yarmouth over the last couple of years,
>> and
>> hopefully will be again next year. It is also possible to have it
>> earlier,
>> maybe in September when the weather is (a bit!) more predictable, and
>> people
>> may be more able to enjoy the proximity to the sea! I have also had some
>> suggestions to move it further forward to August, but am aware that this
>> is
>> both incompatable with family committments for people who need to be
>> around
>> at home for school holidays, and also is in the middle of the Gt
>> Yarmouth
>> holiday season, when there is greater demand on holiday accommodation.
>>
>> I'd really like to get moving on the venue as soon as possible, so are
>> there
>> any other issues that need to be considered? What do people think about
>> the
>> various options?
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Franks, Wendy - Clinical Psychologist
>>> Sent: 23 November 2005 17:06
>>> To: UK Community Psychology Discussion List (E-mail)
>>> Subject: On the subject of conferences...
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I thought I'd let the dust settle from all the activity around the
>>> response to the BPS following the last conference, before starting up
>>> another (hopefully) big topic!
>>>
>>> I wondered if we could use some space and time to reflect on the last
>>> conference and to think about plans for the next one.
>>>
>>> Gillian Bowden and I offered at the end of the Newcastle conference
>> that
>>> we would be prepared to host the conference next year in Great
>> Yarmouth.
>>> After recovering from the shock, and on further reflection, I have
>> been
>>> feeling quite excited about the prospect...
>>>
>>> ...excited, and a more than just a little nervous about matching the
>>> standard of UK CP Network conferences that I've attended over the last
>> few
>>> years!
>>>
>>> Each of the conferences had a different, local flavour, and I think
>> that
>>> this has been a wonderful part of the experience. So hopefully being
>>> different is no bad thing, and there is enough that has been similar
>> to
>>> provide a framework on which to build.
>>>
>>> I am getting in touch with the list at this point to confirm that
>> people
>>> would like us to organise the next conference, and that there is an
>>> interest in coming all the way over Great Yarmouth next year. (we love
>> to
>>> be beside the seaside here, and hope you will too)
>>>
>>> If so, I would like to invite people from the list to talk about
>> whatever
>>> ways you'd like to be involved in planning the next conference.
>> Clearly
>>> there are practicalities regarding planning over distances, and we are
>>> prepared to do the leg-work involved in getting things organised. I'd
>> like
>>> to find out how much involvement people would like to have, how much
>> you'd
>>> like to know about our thoughts and ideas and developing plans, and to
>>> what extent it seems possible to organise an event such as this by
>>> consensus!
>>>
>>> We have a number of people locally who are very excited by the
>> prospect of
>>> putting on the conference here in 2006 (including me!), and I hope
>> that we
>>> can cover most of the practical elements of organising the conference.
>>> We've had a few discussions already about how we'd like it to develop,
>> and
>>> how we'd like to draw on our own local flavour to make it interesting
>> and
>>> productive. In general, I think it would be great if we could involve
>> the
>>> list members to be involved in shaping the conference, from deciding
>> on a
>>> theme, to discussing the practicalities in terms of how many days,
>> what
>>> days, what activities, when, etc. I also wondered if people wanted to
>> be
>>> involved in activities such as reviewing abstracts, or at least to
>> take
>>> some advice about the process from previous conference organisers.
>>>
>>> So, hopefully this isn't too soon after the last conference to start
>>> preparing...
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>>
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