I'm interested that this lyrical conversation is happening here and not on
the blog. Anyone have thoughts on that? I feel quite frustrated by it but I
suppose it's a question of getting used to two different discussions. I hope
it starts to overlap. Or perhaps people will repost fragments and summaries?
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From: arteonline [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Subject: [WDL] Virtual Madeleines, Bergson and surfing
Dear Peter,
At first, thanks for the beautiful , intelligent and poetic comment.
I decide to bite your virtual madeleine and ...
Perhaps in the future, instead of writing:
"...and the church and all Combray and its surroundings, all this that takes
form and solidity, city and gardens, left from my cup of tea." (1)
We that are living this experience should write:
...and the digital life and all Internet and its surroundings, all this
that takes form and solidity, favorite sites, urls and lists, left from our
cup of ...
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Also your associative web surfing reminds me this Bergson's thought:
"At first we can say that memory is a survival of the old images, these
images will go to mix themselves constantly to our perception of the present
and also they can replace it. Because they are stored only to become
useful: every minute they complete the present experience enriching it with
the acquired experience." (2)
Is not this what happens when one surfes through the Internet links?
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Quotations: (Portuguese version - Unfortunatelly I did the translation into
English)
(1) ...e a igreja e toda Combray e seus arredores, tudo isso que toma forma
e solidez, saiu, cidade e jardins, da minha taça de chá. / PROUST, Marcel.
Em busca do tempo perdido, no caminho de Swann.. Porto Alegre, Editora
Globo, 1981.
(2) Digamos inicialmente que a memória é, uma sobrevivência das imagens
passadas, estas imagens irão misturar-se constantemente à nossa percepção do
presente e poderão inclusive substituí-la. Pois elas só se conservam para
tornarem-se úteis: a todo instante completam a experiência presente
enriquecendo-a com a experiência adquirida. / BERGSON, Henri. Matéria e
memória. São Paulo, Martins Fontes,1990.
Best regards,
Regina Célia Pinto
http://arteonline.arq.br
http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
http://bigsheep.blogspot.com
New Work:
http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ciccariello" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WDL] The attic and the topic how will digital life affect
human memory
Regina and all,
I always wonder about the forensics of computer memory. It is said that
you can never completely erase a hard drive, short of physically
destroying it, that the police/FBI/CIA can retrieve any information
that was ever entered, even if the hard drive is reformatted. I wonder
if one ever really loses physical memory. And what of involuntary
memory? What about associative web surfing in a manner that transcends
deliberate recollection/searching, a web search that explodes like a
flood of involuntary memory from a bite of a virtual petite Madeleine?
I like the idea of the ATTIC, of memory being stored on old, discarded
computers. Memory that does not die, but fades, bit by bit, byte by
byte, or just sits suspended in the ether until someone powers up with
the old software.
-Peter Ciccariello
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