Hi John,
up to now I haven't seen anyone willing to convince me with rational
arguments. So I can go away and think again but someone when I come back
will need to have good arguments _and_ give the time to discuss
"these things".
cheers
alessandra
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Gordon, JC (John) wrote:
> Alessandra, I see nothing to be gained by (VO)boxing ourselves into a
> corner. Taking an entrenched position against them at all costs is bad
> tactics. I would rather take the position that the case hasn't been
> made, please go away and think again. Everyone seems to be getting into
> a frenzy before they have heard a rational case. The risk then is that
> nothing called a VObox will ever be acceptable.
>
> There will be more discussion at the workshop if it is required. Jeff';s
> 20mins will present our case too. Steve will give him your input.
>
> My personal position (not a RAL one, and I wasn't in your discussion on
> Tuesday) is that the VO box would not be a problem if:-
>
> a) the VOs delivered rpms which were installed by local sysadmins just
> like other components. I do not believe that VO agents should need to be
> updated as frequently as the experimental software on WNs so why should
> the SGM install it.
>
> b) the reason for each agent was explained fully in advance and reviewed
> by some independent group (perhaps under GDB)
>
> c) some security review of the agents' functionality had been done. I do
> not want to go to deep into this as there are currently no security
> reviews of any other aspect of the middleware so it is unfair to impose
> it here.
>
> d) some testing had been done (by the deployment team or others) to
> ensure there were no unwelcome side effects.
>
> John
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>> Sent: 16 September 2005 18:18
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: VO Boxes - there will be a GridPP position on
>> this discussion
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> I'm afraid I cannot share your optimism. Steve is right to
>> call them "these things". I find the VO-boxes a technical
>> abhorrence neither grid nor "classical" which takes the worst
>> of both worlds. Of course I'm willing to be convinced of the
>> opposite in the 30mins at the very end of the 1st day of the
>> workshop that they gave themselves.
>>
>> cheers
>> alessandra
>>
>>
>
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